OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[bobblehead]

There is work needed to be done with the timing between him and the receivers.

Isn't that why you have training camp?? Seriously, if you believe this, then you have to believe that missing TC probably cost the vikings this game. If they miss the playoffs by a game, or lose homefield by a game, etc, you would have to understand why MM was adamant about BF actually being a part of the team and going through off season activities.

For my part I hope they start out slow and miss the playoffs by.....that much....then I can taunt the favre fans even more by pointing out how his selfishness cost an entire organization a playoff berth.

[denverYooper]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/102594989.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU

[Freak Out]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/102594989.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU

The guy was missing his #1 WR and LORD HAVE PERCY was seeing double or some damn thing. That's what cost them the game....plus one of their CBs getting worked like a bitch early in the game.

[denverYooper]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/102594989.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU

The guy was missing his #1 WR and LORD HAVE PERCY was seeing double or some damn thing. That's what cost them the game....plus one of their CBs getting worked like a bitch early in the game.

Don't forget that Vilma was manhandling Shiancoe on all but 2 plays.

[Joemailman]

When exactly did Favre fall from grace?

[pbmax]

I saw the Sporting News preseason interview with Rodgers in a waiting room a day ago, and unlike the online excerpt, there were a couple of questions about Favre and Thomspon.

Of note, Rodgers said the story of the near trade for Moss (for a 4th round pick before New England snatched him up) before 2007 was not true and that he knew what really happened. But he declined to say.

I can't wait to read the book about this era. I just hope Bedard doesn't write it.

[mraynrand]

I saw the Sporting News preseason interview with Rodgers in a waiting room a day ago, and unlike the online excerpt, there were a couple of questions about Favre and Thomspon.

Of note, Rodgers said the story of the near trade for Moss (for a 4th round pick before New England snatched him up) before 2007 was not true and that he knew what really happened. But he declined to say.

I can't wait to read the book about this era. I just hope Bedard doesn't write it.

[HowardRoark]

When exactly did Favre fall from grace?

[Scott Campbell]

When exactly did Favre fall from grace?

I think the tide turned most sharply when the Packers hired Ari.

[woodbuck27]

Favre looked tired according to Tony Dungy. It must have been that grueling training camp that Chilly The Ogre put him through.

Yup. Favre looked tired in the second half. Too many miscues on his offense and I mean in terms of WR routes will do that to an NFL QB. I'm referring specifically Percy Harvin and there was a throw for a long gainer that Bernard Berrian lost his concentration on and blew it. They have to get on the same page with their QB. The botttom line is that the Viking team's management has to get some help in to secure their investment in Brett Favre. Give him another weapon or two and look out Packer fans. This man is still very capable inspite of what he's done that's annoying to us in the past. He has to get in some sorta grooove and relax and just execute.

I cannot wait to see how well we do against this team in 2010-11. The big plus for us as I see it now is the schedule the Vikings must handle after their week four bye. It's going to be testy and could blow out their season?

When all is said and done. That game was very close and in my view rather dull with neither team looking very sharp. The Vikings 'D' was solid after the first Saints series for an early TD. There are questions in the Vikings secondary but the same goes for ours. The play of the Viking linebackers was impressive.

That was less than a one TD game Packer fans with the Vikings 'O' looking more than less unglued throughout that game Also we have to consider that the Saints are viable contenders for the Super Bowl again this season but realistically. As hard as that will be ' to repeat ' based on doing so and history in the NFL.

On the plus side Favre still moves well (he did have excellent protection fr. his OL) but for the most part he could stay in the pocket. His throws over the top to TE Visanthe Shiancoe, were outstanding but so is Shiancoe. As I viewed that matcup a sure target for Favre. He has to be seriously dealt with when we play the Vikings. I predict that Visanthe Shiancoe will be a Pro Bowler this season.

GO PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

I'd agree that Bert has the potential to be excellent again this year, because he certainly was last year. But it's not a given, and a falloff at his age could be very sudden and steep. I don't think he's nearly as evasive in the pocket anymore, and he couldn't have looked more immobile on the sack he took Thursday. But he started slow last year too, but got tuned up by about game 3. So I guess we'll see.

Good posts Woody.

[Scott Campbell]

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Great article Vince. I borrowed this from the other thread because I'm pretty sure none of what happened to him in 08 was by accident. He got punked by a spiteful Favre.

[woodbuck27]

There is work needed to be done with the timing between him and the receivers.

Isn't that why you have training camp?? Seriously, if you believe this, then you have to believe that missing TC probably cost the vikings this game. If they miss the playoffs by a game, or lose homefield by a game, etc, you would have to understand why MM was adamant about BF actually being a part of the team and going through off season activities.

For my part I hope they start out slow and miss the playoffs by.....that much....then I can taunt the favre fans even more by pointing out how his selfishness cost an entire organization a playoff berth.

What!? Are you saying above that that Vikings loss by less than a TD was on Brett Favre? That loss could mostle be attributed to execution of WR routes enabling Favre to get the ball realistically into the hands of his receivers.

Percy Harvin didn't have a good game . Bernard Berrian didn't have a good game. If they played better then the Vikings win that game. All other things the same.

I analylized that game as best I could and had the Saints over the Vikings by at least a TD but not two. I concluded that the Vikings appeared weak at WR and Favre would have one primary weapon to toss to. His TE Visanthe Shiancoe. In fact my analysis was pretty accurate.

Favre looked fine. In the second half he ran out of gas. Too many miscues on behalf of receivers will wear an NFL QB out. Favre didn't have the deep threat go to guy either. If the Vikings management goes out soon and gets that man. Look out! Many of you underestimate Brett Favre. He's a lights out QB with some decent weapons. He's usually going to win with almost anyting decent if they get on the same page as he is.

A QB throws to spots and WRE's have to follow the correct route to make the hook-up. That was certainly not the case and that hurt the Vikings offense.

It wasn't on Brett Favre. Brett Favre cannot be blamed for that Vikings loss. Please get real. Please.... get your blinders off bobblehead. Please be fair and objective. Hint: That will make your ability to grow as an NFL fan more complete.

Enjoy 'the game' as well as your need for prejudice and senseless hatred. JUsat hope that the Vikings brass are slow or neglectful of their obvious needs for a star WR to provide the encouragement and realistic deeep threat Favre needs to bust open games in the Vikings favor. Also please realize that Rome wasn't built in a dayv and neither is an NFL offense that may be a man or two away from pure domination over the rest of the NFL. The Vikings have such potential and Favre 'of course' knows that and will push to get help.

In my final analysis. Favre played overall pretty well. He did get tired in the second half but why? Was it conditioning or maybe just frustration? He's a throughbred and that means he needs attention to detail.

Don't you want to see us defeat the Vikings at their best not in a weakened state? That case reflect the TRUE strength of our team and the promise we deserve as Packer fans.

A Super Bowl Victory.

GO PACK GO!

[Tony Oday]

NO NO NO! Favre is bailed out by the announcers again. You have NO idea if they ran the wrong routes, in my opinion Bert was throwing the ball to the wrong place. The reason for the opinion is that the receiving corp, save Camarillo, was actually in camp this year for ATLEAST the study of the plays where as brINT was a selfish player who thinks he is above being a team player.

This jack ass Viqueens player I hope will be terrible this year ala Ray Rhodes year in GB. When the prima donna finally quits because he cant do it anymore he will get at least me back as a fan...jack ass queens QB!!!