OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Fritz]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

Hey your entitled to your feelings just as I am mine Packer fan. WE live in a democrascy.

If we all agreed here it wouldn't be half as interesting. The thing is to disagree without undo attack and ridicule. To post as gentleman and keep this Packer home as healthy as it deserves to be. It does get out of hand at times but only the extreme haters/abusive types have suffered expulsion from this place on a permanant basis.

Everyone that has been suspended from here has even had a second and sometimes more than that chance to clean up. WE cannot afford to let Packerrats down. Disagreeing isn't abnormal. Attacking one another subjectively and unfairly is lousy behaviour and from that sort of behaviour everyone suffers.

WE need to promote an environment at Packerrats that will somehow encourage some of the quality posters we lost to consider returning and realize this is 'as a bottom line' OUR Packer home.

I will never be anything than what I've been for 51 years. A Green Bay Packer fan. If there are posters here that imagine I'm for the Vikings now. They're sadly disallutioned. That's too funny.

I'm a Packer fan. I will die a Packer fan.

GO PACK GO!

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

Which, I believe, gives us the right to be rude and crude and obnoxious to other human beings. Don't tread on my right to be an ass___, baby!

LOL, that also means the Admin, as the sovereign power, has the right to ban your ass.

If he's the sovereign then we're not in a republic here. Uh oh.

[woodbuck27]

" You can bet that Childress is spinning over his need of something of quality at WR. That he has to protect Favre 's contract and justify having him back. We will see some action in that direction very soon. " woodbuck27


Here is a look at the four wide receivers, as reported in the www.startribune.com that ' the Vikings ' were planning to take a look at today:

■ Sam Aiken: Spent his first five seasons with the Buffalo Bills (2003-07) before playing in 14 games and catching 28 passes the past two years with New England. Aiken, a fourth-round pick of the Bills out of North Carolina in 2003, is listed at 6-2, 220 pounds and is 29 years old. He is a very good special teams player. The Patriots let him go in the final cutdown to the 53-man roster this month.

■ Reggie Brown: Much like Greg Lewis, this is another guy with whom Brad Childress is familiar with from his time as offensive coordinator in Philadelphia. Brown, 6-1, 197 pounds, is 29 years old and played for the Eagles from 2005 to 2009, catching 177 pass for 2,574 yards and 17 touchdowns. He started 40 games in his first three seasons but lost that job early in 2008 and started only five after that. The Eagles traded Brown to the Buccaneers in the offseason for a sixth-round draft pick in 2011, but Tampa Bay waived him last Monday. Brown had four receptions for 57 yards in the preseason.

■ Ruvell Martin: Played for the Packers from 2006 to 2008, before spending last season with the Rams and then going to training camp with the Seahawks this year. The 28-year-old Martin, 6-4, 220 pounds, played two seasons with Favre in Green Bay and caught a career-high 21 passes for 358 yards with one touchdown as a rookie in 2006. Martin was let go in the Seahawks' final cuts. Martin had two touchdown catches in the Packers' 34-0 victory over the Vikings on Nov. 10, 2007.

■ Demetrius Williams: The 6-2, 202-pound Williams had 63 receptions for 1,008 yards and four touchdowns in four seasons with the Ravens. Williams, 27, was another guy let go in his team's final cuts. Williams, drafted in the fourth round of the 2006 draft by Baltimore, had issues with injuries while playing for the Ravens and this summer a sprained ankle slowed him.

There is also some interest in acquiring holdout WR Vincent Jackson of 'the Bolts'; but that's not without a lot of concerns and conditions that have to be met as it now appears to stand.

GO PACKERS!

[pbmax]

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

Do you have a definition handy for pedantic?

[retailguy]

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

Do you have a definition handy for pedantic?

Look, I don't want to split hairs here, but technically Woody is correct. He's Canadian, and they have a Parliamentary Democracy, and a Constitutional Monarchy.

We, in the states, have what remains of a representative republic, just don't tell Wist, because it'll lead to a 20 minute dissertation on the evils of the Federal Reserve.

Those Canadians do it differently.

[woodbuck27]

" Those Canadians do it differently. " retailguy

We do!? I thought we did it basically the same way as in any nation/country etc. and foremost prudence with planned parenting as a first insight.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf: 'We're all in'

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/56735627.html

Hit the LINK for the entire story.

"We've built a team that we expect to go all the way," he said. "We're not holding back right now. We're in it for the whole match." Zygi Wilf

Asked about his sense of urgency after getting Brett Favre back for one more season, Wilf said: "We've built our team to be at this point. We feel that we're all in. We're going to try our best to fulfill our goal. So we're all in."

Wilf said at the start of training camp that Favre was the team's quarterback, even before Favre announced he was returning. Wilf was asked if he ever became nervous as the waiting game continued.

"I certainly had a lot of confidence that he would be back," Wilf said. "But I knew that his feeling was genuine, that he was thinking deep and hard about it. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and waited and hoped that he would make the decision to come, as he did. That's why I'm optimistic that we'll do very well this year."

Man. Lots of pressure there on Brett Favre. It seems like Zygi Wilf will provide for the Vikings as best he's able to and justify Favre and his $ 3 Million dollar increase to $ 16 Million dollars total, not including deferments/incentives etc.

This is the team we have to leap over to win the NFCN Championship.

I'm keeping a close watch over the Vikings until we get some distance between ourselves and them. I'm presently interested and watching ' the Vikings ' wheel and deal and move forward in terms of whatever adversity that already exists or that crops up in this new season.

GO PACK GO!

[RashanGary]

This is the team we have to leap over to win the NFCN Championship.

Actually, it's a 15 game season, we're up by one and it's on them to jump us. This is 2010, Woodbuck. You're living in the past.

[Patler]

This is the team we have to leap over to win the NFCN Championship.

Actually, it's a 15 game season, we're up by one and it's on them to jump us. This is 2010, Woodbuck. You're living in the past.

...and looking through my green and gold crystal ball, I see two Packer victories over the Vikings this year, which means the Vikings will have to make up four games in 13, since the tie breaker will go to the Packers!

[woodbuck27]

" Actually, it's a 15 game season, we're up by one and it's on them to jump us. This is 2010, Woodbuck. You're living in the past.
This is what I'm seeing this season RE: OUR arch nemesis Vikings. " Justin Harrell

Am I? I don't think so Justin Harrell. I'm too much the realist. You fella's on this forum just never seem to get that. I pay close attention to the NFL scene and I've proven ' that fact ' over and over, since I began posting with the old crew of Packer fans going back to the history beginning in 2005.

Before I saw your post. I was working this post up Justin Harrell:

Instead ' of hating Brett Favre and his team. Why not look at ' the Vikings ' prognosis for success in 2010-11? I have and see it as follows:

I believe that their not anywhere as strong as they were last season. Sure they got a one year older Brett Favre back but their far and removed from the team that went to the NFC Championship game and should have won that and a berth in the Super Bowl last year.

Brett Favre is no dummy. He knows that his team didn't have the off season it needed to get back to being as competitive as they were in 2009-10. Still key members of that team ( R.Longwell, S.Hutchinson and Jared Allen) visited Favre and went with ' why pack the season in and just maybe with Favre tact and somehow that reached Brett Favre, in spite of all his better instincts, and a likely gut feeling that their time was last year, and they blew that? It was that '12 man on the field 'in the huddle' penalty' in the NFC Championship game that screwed that team folks. That was the Vikings equivalent to OUR ... 4th and 26 abomination.

before reality and getting really ill. BaaAAARRFFF !!

The Vikings lost alot in Chester Taylor and lots more in terms of ' depth and personnel '. Did they fill? I didn't nor don't see it, and I'm positive neither does Brett Favre.

So we have learned that Brett Favre has stated. That that this will be his 20th season and final kick at the can. This will be Favre's Swan Song Packer fans. Your last year to hate him for those of you that applies to.

Mark that down as 'a fact of our lives' as NFL fans'.

The TRUTH:

This will be the end of our days watching this fine competitor and Ex Packer great play in the NFL. I for one will relish every moment he shows his still great competitive spirit, but this won't be as great a season as we saw last. He doesn't have enough on 'O' to work with and due to adversity can their OL hold up? Not very likely. That's what scares me as I don't want to see him get seriously injured after the legasy he's delivered to date as an NFL QB and Iron Man of awesome and next to impossible to believe distinction.

Now that Viking 'D' may step it up and reduce the pressure on their 'O'; but that's alot to expect.

The Vikings had a poor off season. They do have a strong starting cast but what of their depth and versatility. Sure most of the NFL teams are in the same soup but are the Vikings a real competitor for a Super Bowl berth coming off last season's success?

I think not and then add this: The ' coup de gras'. When WR Sydney Rice went down and he will give his all but likely won't recover enough to make an impact. Even if he does. The Vikings schedule early this season can be summed up with these words of prognostication ... ' Really rough start as the schedule eats Em' up ' and ' Vikings lose again - too late to recover. The olive branch lost ' .

The early seaon Vikings schedule is brutal and IMO may well play with ' the chorus '. La la la ... Adversity takes it's toll; the oposite of ' a roll '. On a field with equal opponents. Two teams get rattled. The nature, ' of extreme battle '.

In my view. The Vikings are cooked Packer fans. They won't win the NFCN. They will be very fortunate to make the playoffs. Of course, their owner Zygi Wilf may ' walk his talk '; get really busy and sincerely try to plug the holes we know they have now. The rest of the NFL is very aware of what they need and it must come at some cost. It won't be like a present from Santa.

It's really this in 2010-11 and next season as well.

PACKERS!

The only ? is how far will we go?

[mraynrand]

...and looking through my green and gold crystal ball, I see two Packer victories over the Vikings this year, which means the Vikings will have to make up four games in 13, since the tie breaker will go to the Packers!

I don't see that. Even when the Packers have been vastly superior to Minnesota, those games are close. MN has a better D than Philly, and probably has a better O too - or will by the time GB plays in MN. That's a loss right there. GB absolutely has to win that divisional game against MN in Green Bay. That's the key to the North (barring injuries) - it was last year too.

[Patler]

...and looking through my green and gold crystal ball, I see two Packer victories over the Vikings this year, which means the Vikings will have to make up four games in 13, since the tie breaker will go to the Packers!

I don't see that. Even when the Packers have been vastly superior to Minnesota, those games are close. MN has a better D than Philly, and probably has a better O too - or will by the time GB plays in MN. That's a loss right there. GB absolutely has to win that divisional game against MN in Green Bay. That's the key to the North (barring injuries) - it was last year too.

Did you miss that I was using my "green and gold crystal ball"?
My regular crystal ball agrees with you, but the green and gold one shows a Packer victory in every important game. It has since the time of Vince Lombardi!

[mraynrand]

Did you miss that I was using my "green and gold crystal ball"?

yes

[woodbuck27]

...and looking through my green and gold crystal ball, I see two Packer victories over the Vikings this year, which means the Vikings will have to make up four games in 13, since the tie breaker will go to the Packers!

I don't see that. Even when the Packers have been vastly superior to Minnesota, those games are close. MN has a better D than Philly, and probably has a better O too - or will by the time GB plays in MN. That's a loss right there. GB absolutely has to win that divisional game against MN in Green Bay. That's the key to the North (barring injuries) - it was last year too.

The real key, as I view it realistically. Lies in these three major points that I want to raise, today.

a) Will the Vikings overcome ' the adversity ' given, by their off season and to date as we know it now?

b) If ' the Vikings ' do stay close early? How much Aaron Rodgers and the Pack' wants to defeat 'the Vikings. May fly in their (OUR) face, if they don't just simply go into those match's with pizzass versus ' the Minnesota Vikings ' and simply play as they can and get it done.

c) The above will be opposed by ' the Brett Favre Factor ' or Favre knowing and believing. That he still has all it takes to lead the Vikings with whatever they have that's positive and will prevail in the battle between his team and OUR's as he feels he can and must. They sqeak into the playoffs and pick it up from there and prevail over our team.

Alot of if's that point out all that's so interesting to me this season in terms of our team and the Brett Favre and A Peterson on offense led Vikings.

Also the Vikings arn't exactly shabby on 'D'. We saw that last Monday night if you forgot or ignored that fact. We're in for alot of excitement Packer fans.

It's all ... very interesting.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

...and looking through my green and gold crystal ball, I see two Packer victories over the Vikings this year, which means the Vikings will have to make up four games in 13, since the tie breaker will go to the Packers!

I don't see that. Even when the Packers have been vastly superior to Minnesota, those games are close. MN has a better D than Philly, and probably has a better O too - or will by the time GB plays in MN. That's a loss right there. GB absolutely has to win that divisional game against MN in Green Bay. That's the key to the North (barring injuries) - it was last year too.

Did you miss that I was using my "green and gold crystal ball"?
My regular crystal ball agrees with you, but the green and gold one shows a Packer victory in every important game. It has since the time of Vince Lombardi!

Then Patler. That crystal ball of yours, obviously cleans up really well. Based on OUR teams performance during the 70's and 80's.

Havn't you thrown your Brett Favre shammy away Patler? Guessing that the Aaron Rodgers model works pretty good or is satisfactory to you?

GO PACKERS ! !

Run better than YOU did in ... ** the 70's and 80's.

** The post modern ' skinny lean, not so mean, hapless Green and Gold ' not a machine '. Gee , we're really really hungry era.

That era tested OUR loyalty as Packer fans. How many of us here at PackerRats? are included with you Patler, KY Pack and myself as survivors of that long drought and little thought of, moreso, a drink of Kool Aid?

I wonder if you'll offer a contradiction Patler? If so Patler. Maybe we can debate that from this point of view. That it's ' more than how you play the game ', when it comes to elevating the glory of Packer history?

Ohh before we possibly go there.

Maybe you might check how many NFCN Championships we've won Vs ' the Vince Lombardi and post Vince Lombard. Arch rival Minnesota Vikings total ' or since their inception. They've done very well in that category.

I'm positive your well aware of that fact Patler.

Might ' that fact ' play against this season? Turn against us, in terms of the Vikings Oreganization's history and their pride based in that?

[Patler]

Did you miss that I was using my "green and gold crystal ball"?
My regular crystal ball agrees with you, but the green and gold one shows a Packer victory in every important game. It has since the time of Vince Lombardi!

Then Patler. That crystal ball of yours, obviously cleans up really well. Based on OUR teams performance during the 70's and 80's.

Actually, I don't recall many predictions at all from that old green and cold crystal ball in the '70s and '80s. Not very many important games!