He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw....

[Gunakor]

Your top 3 passers this games seen are Favre, Elway, Marino in no order, and thats that...

Try, Unitas, Manning, then Favre. In that order.

Agreed that Unitas is the best of all time. But I'd put Brady over Manning, and neither of them would be second IMO. Marino threw a prettier ball, Otto Graham won a much higher percentage of games, etc. It's highly subjective, so I can't really decide who the next best after Unitas is. But I don't think it's Manning or Brady.

I do agree with you - its highly subjective....but Elway? Cmon Paco, i know you can do better.

I know quite a few Bronco fans, and they all say "Favre, not even in the top 10".

I don't think either Favre or Elway are top 5, but think both might be top 10.

Unitas, Graham, Marino, Montana, and Manning/Brady (whichever between those two) I think make up the top 5.

[Chevelle2]

IMO, I take Favre over Montana, because of the ridiculous amount of talent Montana had to work with, combined with his lack of mind blowing numbers and propensity to get hurt.

I have no respect for Brady, and have a hard time putting him in the top 10 even, because again - no mind blowing numbers save one year, and also, we will never really know how much Spygate helped him.

JMO.

[PackerBlues]

Excuses are for losers. Make a play to create time.

I agree 100%.....why did favre throw more picks than any QB in history again?? Why is he the all time turnover leader in the NFL history??

Favre threw 3 times as many passes as the guy who previously held the "INT. record", before earning the record for himself. But I guess if you wanted to leave out that little fact, it does make your arguement sound a little better.

[PackerBlues]

IMO, I take Favre over Montana, because of the ridiculous amount of talent Montana had to work with, combined with his lack of mind blowing numbers and propensity to get hurt.

I have no respect for Brady, and have a hard time putting him in the top 10 even, because again - no mind blowing numbers save one year, and also, we will never really know how much Spygate helped him.

JMO.

Having Moss to "lob the bomb" to, doesn't hurt Brady's stats any either.

[Gunakor]

IMO, I take Favre over Montana, because of the ridiculous amount of talent Montana had to work with, combined with his lack of mind blowing numbers and propensity to get hurt.

I have no respect for Brady, and have a hard time putting him in the top 10 even, because again - no mind blowing numbers save one year, and also, we will never really know how much Spygate helped him.

JMO.

He won 3 SB's with guys like Jabbar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as his WR's. And Antowain Smith as his RB. Manning only won 1 SB with guys like Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James and, recently, Reggie Wayne. IMO the Colts have had better teams up until the last year or two, especially on offense. Yet the Pats were the ones winning. I have to give the edge to Brady for that reason alone.

Although I can understand your point about spygate, even after it was revealed the Pats were winning. 18 straight games as a matter of fact, and most of them weren't even close. Only on Madden have I seen such dominance on such a regular basis. So I'm not sure just how much of an effect spygate had on thier success.

[Gunakor]

IMO, I take Favre over Montana, because of the ridiculous amount of talent Montana had to work with, combined with his lack of mind blowing numbers and propensity to get hurt.

I have no respect for Brady, and have a hard time putting him in the top 10 even, because again - no mind blowing numbers save one year, and also, we will never really know how much Spygate helped him.

JMO.

Having Moss to "lob the bomb" to, doesn't hurt Brady's stats any either.

Brady didn't have Moss when he was winning SB's.

[Bretsky]

I have a feeling nothing Aaron does will make some folks happy. He'll be blasted even if he wins because he doesn't yet have Favre's pocket awareness. He'll be scorned if he gets sacked. God help him if he throws a pick. This will continue as long as BF plays, so we only have to put up with threads calling AR a bust for only one season...

Ah just win a dam Super Bowl already and we'll all love AROD

Just a question for ya B. Suppose Favre would have lost to the Pats in XXXI. He'd still be the all time leader in damn near every QB catagory, but would not have a ring to show for it. Would we still love Favre? I mean, Dolphins fans still love Marino, even though he never won the big one. Does Rodgers HAVE to win a SB for us to love him, or does he just have to play well?

A very valid question; if Favre didn't win the Super Bowl for us I would still cherish his accomplishments. But I'll say it over and over and over.

Sports is about winning championships for me. And if you are close you seize the moment. It's why I was in favor of bringing Favre back.

I havent' witnessed the dam Brewers or Bucks win one. In fact besides the one I've seen the Packers win I have to go to UW Badgers College Hockey as my next most notable.

So for me Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and that team earn a pedastal above the rest.

I'll appreiciate AROD and his accomplishments if he does well; but he will not be on my A list.........nor will TT.......without a championship

[Bretsky]

I have a feeling nothing Aaron does will make some folks happy. He'll be blasted even if he wins because he doesn't yet have Favre's pocket awareness. He'll be scorned if he gets sacked. God help him if he throws a pick. This will continue as long as BF plays, so we only have to put up with threads calling AR a bust for only one season...

Ah just win a dam Super Bowl already and we'll all love AROD

Just a question for ya B. Suppose Favre would have lost to the Pats in XXXI. He'd still be the all time leader in damn near every QB catagory, but would not have a ring to show for it. Would we still love Favre? I mean, Dolphins fans still love Marino, even though he never won the big one. Does Rodgers HAVE to win a SB for us to love him, or does he just have to play well?

I think judging QB's on superbowl wins is absolutely absurd... why don't we judge other positions on SB rings? It's a double standard.

Your top 3 passers this games seen are Favre, Elway, Marino in no order, and thats that...

you are changing what I deem as the topic of being a fan; judging them and loving a player as a fan are two different things and I think Gunnakor was referring more to the fan side

[th87]

We had a golden opportunity last year. We blew it, thanks partly to frantic QB play down the stretch.

Opportunities like this don't come by often, and even if we did have Favre, who's to say that he'd get us there again? And if he did get us there, who's to say he wouldn't have another playoff meltdown? Let's face it - he's melted down in every playoff game we lost in this decade.

The Packers front office deemed that it was time to move on, and decided that Favre would not get us to a Super Bowl. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. But I respect their decision, because they've done well so far.

[hoosier]

Excuses are for losers. Make a play to create time.

I agree 100%.....why did favre throw more picks than any QB in history again?? Why is he the all time turnover leader in the NFL history??

Favre threw 3 times as many passes as the guy who previously held the "INT. record", before earning the record for himself. But I guess if you wanted to leave out that little fact, it does make your arguement sound a little better.

Don't forget that the guy who previously held the record, George Blanda, played in an era when interception rates were much higher. Comparing Favre's interception % with Blanda's without taking into consideration how each one relates to league averages at the time is pretty much meaningless.

[cpk1994]

We had a golden opportunity last year. We blew it, thanks partly to frantic QB play down the stretch.

Opportunities like this don't come by often, and even if we did have Favre, who's to say that he'd get us there again? And if he did get us there, who's to say he wouldn't have another playoff meltdown? Let's face it - he's melted down in every playoff game we lost in this decade.

The Packers front office deemed that it was time to move on, and decided that Favre would not get us to a Super Bowl. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. But I respect their decision, because they've done well so far.

I agree, also becuase they have demonstrated this is a TEAM of 53 players and not 1 player then 52 others. It was difficult, but had to be done. TT/M3 will be judged based on W/L more closely now, and I think they are up to the task.

[The Gunshooter]

If I was going to put together an all-time GB team to play for the title Bart Starr would be my QB, not Favre. Favre is too mentally unstable.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw..

wow guys... Arod had plenty of time to throw...


If anything blame the WR's for not getting open or something..



But blaming the Oline for those sacks is insane...

....or throw the damn ball away. I'm getting flashbacks of David Carr dammit.