He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw....

[ND72]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

Again, wrong. Sports center showed three, count it, three of the sacks. One had 2 seconds. Another he has 1.56, the other was just over 1 second. Never had mroe then 2 seconds is a falicy. He had time MOST OF THE NIGHT. It wasn't just the 4 plays he got sacked, it was ll the plays he ended up throwing the ball away, or just misfiring.

There was a thing done on a science sports analysis thing with Ben Roethelesberger about how much time you to need take the snap, do a three step drop, and then throw the football before a rush would effect anything.

It took Big Ben, who doesn't exactly have the fastest release point, 1.5 seconds to do a three step drop, make a decision, and throw the ball before a rush could effect him.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there. I know comparing to favre is pointless, but just compare it to any of the good to great QB's in the league. A lot of times, especially with a rush, it's three step drop, decision, throw. With AR, it was Three step drop... no decision. Even on the palys he had forever to throw the ball... they call it "smart to throw it away". I call it "he took too long to decide what to do, and then everyone was covered". I think we all forget that this offense was built around the quick pass. THe 5 yard ouyt, the 5 to 10 yard slant. All plays that take a second and a half to 2 seconds from the time the ball is snapped to the time it goes in the air to happen. I just haven't seen that out of rodgers. He isn't make quick enough decisions and it's costing him.

I hope he gets better, because he has to start making decisions faster if he is going to make it out of week one injury free.

disagree.

Sportcenter even said, "the average NFL pocket is 3.76 seconds"....listening to the post game last night on the radio, they even said Brett averaged around 3.46 seconds per pass last season, and Aaron last night was averaging around 2.11 per pass play.

non the less - we have always struggled vs. a 3-4 defense, and only getting 2 practice days to work against it, isn't going to help our young guys prepare for it.

I agree to disagree. Rodgers, on several occasions, had more then 2 seconds to throw the ball. The AVERAGE NFL pocket does last over 3.5 seconds, this is in fact true. Thats an average. Only a handful of times during a game do you have to take a three step drop, decide, and fire the ball. And, rodgers had to do it only a mere 3 times out of what, 14 passes? Thats small amount. If you watched the same game I did, minus the sacks, rodgers had pretty good time back there. Also, Brett last season, as I stated, scrambled quite a bit to get that extra time. I know, it's an excuse, but it holds true.

Just saying, average time in a pocket doesn't really equate to small sample portion of game. These siotuations rodgers faced comes up in every game for every QB... and he couldn't get it done. Averages mean nothing when you NEED TO SCORE. There were games last year (like philly in game one), where if brett had more then second and a half on a throw it was a miracle. Crappy teams can cahnge stuff, hence averages don't mean much to me in the end.

Still, I just expect rodgers to do enough to win games. We finish 6 - 10, with QB being the only significant change, it's going to rough on Rodgers from a media, and fan, standpoint, and rougher on managment if favre does well with the jets.

But that is the difference between a 16 year vet, and a 1st year starter. Live with the downfalls so he learns. We went through plenty with Brett.

[packerbacker1234]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there.

Maybe if you're running a slant route otherwise thats not near enough time for a go or an out route.

Thats just it though, our team is BUILT on the slants. I know I even said a few times on those drop backs "where is the slants". Thats not say things weren't rough. I remember the one pass he threw away when he looked left a guy creamed him as he threw it. The camara angle when showing the rush also showed Donal Lee Wideopen 10 yards down field running a streak... and guy he over looked as he went from looking dead right, to dead left, ignopring the middle of the field.

I am giving him a fair shake. I am just worried he wont be staying healthy long enough this year to get better with all the hits he took and will take, and that we have nothing behind him that is ready to play.

[packerbacker1234]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

Again, wrong. Sports center showed three, count it, three of the sacks. One had 2 seconds. Another he has 1.56, the other was just over 1 second. Never had mroe then 2 seconds is a falicy. He had time MOST OF THE NIGHT. It wasn't just the 4 plays he got sacked, it was ll the plays he ended up throwing the ball away, or just misfiring.

There was a thing done on a science sports analysis thing with Ben Roethelesberger about how much time you to need take the snap, do a three step drop, and then throw the football before a rush would effect anything.

It took Big Ben, who doesn't exactly have the fastest release point, 1.5 seconds to do a three step drop, make a decision, and throw the ball before a rush could effect him.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there. I know comparing to favre is pointless, but just compare it to any of the good to great QB's in the league. A lot of times, especially with a rush, it's three step drop, decision, throw. With AR, it was Three step drop... no decision. Even on the palys he had forever to throw the ball... they call it "smart to throw it away". I call it "he took too long to decide what to do, and then everyone was covered". I think we all forget that this offense was built around the quick pass. THe 5 yard ouyt, the 5 to 10 yard slant. All plays that take a second and a half to 2 seconds from the time the ball is snapped to the time it goes in the air to happen. I just haven't seen that out of rodgers. He isn't make quick enough decisions and it's costing him.

I hope he gets better, because he has to start making decisions faster if he is going to make it out of week one injury free.

disagree.

Sportcenter even said, "the average NFL pocket is 3.76 seconds"....listening to the post game last night on the radio, they even said Brett averaged around 3.46 seconds per pass last season, and Aaron last night was averaging around 2.11 per pass play.

non the less - we have always struggled vs. a 3-4 defense, and only getting 2 practice days to work against it, isn't going to help our young guys prepare for it.

I agree to disagree. Rodgers, on several occasions, had more then 2 seconds to throw the ball. The AVERAGE NFL pocket does last over 3.5 seconds, this is in fact true. Thats an average. Only a handful of times during a game do you have to take a three step drop, decide, and fire the ball. And, rodgers had to do it only a mere 3 times out of what, 14 passes? Thats small amount. If you watched the same game I did, minus the sacks, rodgers had pretty good time back there. Also, Brett last season, as I stated, scrambled quite a bit to get that extra time. I know, it's an excuse, but it holds true.

Just saying, average time in a pocket doesn't really equate to small sample portion of game. These siotuations rodgers faced comes up in every game for every QB... and he couldn't get it done. Averages mean nothing when you NEED TO SCORE. There were games last year (like philly in game one), where if brett had more then second and a half on a throw it was a miracle. Crappy teams can cahnge stuff, hence averages don't mean much to me in the end.

Still, I just expect rodgers to do enough to win games. We finish 6 - 10, with QB being the only significant change, it's going to rough on Rodgers from a media, and fan, standpoint, and rougher on managment if favre does well with the jets.

But that is the difference between a 16 year vet, and a 1st year starter. Live with the downfalls so he learns. We went through plenty with Brett.

We went through plenty with Brett, while still winning football games. I believe it's only what, one losing season under Favre in 16, and that within his last 4 seasons of palying? Heh, thats why he is held to a higher standard. I don't expect a allstar out there, but I expect winning football, so from him I expect to win football games. We got really use to winning, even in favre's struggles he still found ways to win games.

Thats all anyone expects, to win. I just am, like many other people upset, am unsure that Rodgers will be able to get it done. We'll see. He can't really do any worse for us then Alex Smith has done for the 49ers.

[Fosco33]

Recall, even for the first few years with Brett - there were times when Holmy was gonna pull Favre for Brunell. Expect some poor play this year at times by everyone. People get better due practice and game experience over time.

Personally, who cares if they lost. The preseason record predictive value in regular or post-season records.

Since 2000, here's the Packers pre-season verses regular season records:
2000 (2-2) vs. (9-7)
2001 (2-2) vs. (12-4)
2002 (3-1) vs. (12-4)
2003 (2-3) vs. (10-6)
2004 (1-3) vs. (10-6)
2005 (2-2) vs. (4-12)
2006 (1-3) vs. (8-8)
2007 (2-2) vs. (13-3)

Since 2000, only one year ('02) were the Packers better than .500 during preseason. Packers were 1-3 twice ('04 and '06).

[Scott Campbell]

Personally, who cares if they lost.

Any of those looking for excuses to call for Ted's head.

[packerbacker1234]

Personally, who cares if they lost.

Any of those looking for excuses to call for Ted's head.

No no, it has nothing to do with losing a preseason game. No one really cares all too much wether we win these games or not. It has to do with the performance of the starters while on the field - and it wasn't pretty.

[Pacopete4]

ya.. we really stunk

[Gunakor]

We went through plenty with Brett, while still winning football games. I believe it's only what, one losing season under Favre in 16, and that within his last 4 seasons of palying? Heh, thats why he is held to a higher standard. I don't expect a allstar out there, but I expect winning football, so from him I expect to win football games. We got really use to winning, even in favre's struggles he still found ways to win games.

Thats all anyone expects, to win. I just am, like many other people upset, am unsure that Rodgers will be able to get it done. We'll see. He can't really do any worse for us then Alex Smith has done for the 49ers.

PB, our first team defense has not allowed a TD in preseason play since 2006. I think that, even if Rodgers struggles a bit, we are going to win alot of football games once the season begins. That first team defense we put on the field won't give up many points. They haven't given up any so far this preseason. None at all. So Rodgers will be able to make a few mistakes and learn from them as the season goes on. This football TEAM will be okay. We'll win games.

Favre's first full season as a starter was a 9-7 campaign, and that was with a much worse football team around him. With a top tier defense in place in 2008, I see no reason at all why this team won't win at least 9 games.

[Brohm]

Sure did stink. But, MM stated he didn't have the team prepared and SF threw the kitchen sink at us (Nolan wanted to show up MM?). As bad as they looked I'm glad we got it out of the way now. Lot's to work on this week and will ultimately make everyone better (and cut some of that dead weight). Also can nip ANY over-confidence right in the bud.

Did Moll play any at RT? I switched over to watch the relay. I remember in the SD klunker he was one of the bright spots going against their 3-4 and stone-walling Merriman.

[Noodle]

Here's what you could tell.

For the second week, there was lots of interior pressure on the pass rush. Not good. It happened last year on occassion (like on Brett's stumblin' bumblin flip in the Seattle game -- Collegdge got used but Favre made a play), but I was hoping for more stoutness this year.

For the second week, there was pressure from the ends. This is surprising to me, but I know what I saw. What the heck is up with Tausch and Cliffy? People are saying Arod should have rolled more, but he was getting pinched on the ends. No where to run, no where to hide.

Arod did hold the ball too long on occassion, especially after he got whacked a few times. This I expect from a young qb.

Here's what I couldn't tell:

Everyone knows we are a slant-heavy offense. Were the 49ers sitting on the slants and taking them away, causing hesitation from Arod? Or were our receivers not getting releases off the line, screwing up the timing and again causing Arod to wait? Couldn't tell from the tube.

Why we didn't screen more to beat the rush. We had a great third down screen, but I don't remember one after that. Are we saving that package for the regular season?

[Lurker64]

No no, it has nothing to do with losing a preseason game. No one really cares all too much wether we win these games or not. It has to do with the performance of the starters while on the field - and it wasn't pretty.

I have to say, based on last year at least, the defense is much better with Hawk and Pickett in the game (and worse without them) and the offense is much better with Grant and Jennings in the game (and worse without them).

At least four people held out of the preseason game for minor injuries (as is standard practice for preseason) are four of the major cogs on both sides of the ball.

There is no way we went 13-3 last year without Grant, Jennings, Hawk, and Pickett.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm surprised they didn't have Arod roll-out more often, just to give the rushers something to think about. He throws well on the run. Maybe they wanted to limit game film for other teams to watch.


There were a couple plays where Arod held on to the ball too long. Mostly I think the WHOLE pocket was collapsing so fast he didn't even have a throwing lane.

Arod is not a polished QB, he never started an NFL game in his life. We have to put up with a learning curve, and hope he is good enough to win.

[falco]

I'm surprised they didn't have Arod roll-out more often, just to give the rushers something to think about. He throws well on the run. Maybe they wanted to limit game film for other teams to watch.


There were a couple plays where Arod held on to the ball too long. Mostly I think the WHOLE pocket was collapsing so fast he didn't even have a throwing lane.

Arod is not a polished QB, he never started an NFL game in his life. We have to put up with a learning curve, and hope he is good enough to win.

for once harlan says something worth listening to

you're right on this one blue dog, rodgers did play for shit, but we can't expect his play to make up for the rest of the team sucking either...he's not going to be able to hoist the team on his back

this first year will have its ups and downs regardless

[Harlan Huckleby]

for once harlan says something worth listening to

ah go fuck yourself. that's a tired line.

[falco]

for once harlan says something worth listening to

ah go fuck yourself. that's a tired line.

sorry harlan, i was being sarcastic, i enjoy your regular contributions