Wynn Cut, Harrell on Pup List

[HarveyWallbangers]

Too early to write off Brohm. Most QBs don't set the world on fire in their first camp.

[mmmdk]

Too early to write off Brohm. Most QBs don't set the world on fire in their first camp.

True...but a Nazi rookie QB is a different story.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lumpkin's strong performance and Wynn's inability to stay healthy made that move pretty much inevitable--but I'll bet someone else gives Wynn a look.

yup

[Harlan Huckleby]

While Williams had his faults, I do think that he was worth keeping around on the franchise tag for another year. I kind of agree with those who say his contract with Cleveland is too rich, but the tag for a year would've been a fairly good deal for Green Bay. I'd certainly feel better about our DL right now, and suspect that most others would as well.

Hindsight is 20/20. There weren't many people, not even Bretsky, who didn't like the trade at the time.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=11454

me, sir. I didn't like the trade.

[HarveyWallbangers]

me, sir. I didn't like the trade.

You might have been spot on. I didn't assume Harrell would get injured again. I didn't know Jolly would get busted for codeine. I was also hoping that Muir would take a step forward in his development. I guess I'm a little surprised that we didn't draft a DT also.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

Harrell recently received a second opinion on his back, which he injured a disc in while lifting weights early in the offseason program, had surgery on in April and aggravated in July.

"After consultation with Pat (McKenzie, the team doctor), we felt like another procedure would kind of hurry things along," General Manager Ted Thompson said this morning. "He's gotten himself in remarkable shape. I think our guys have done a great job in the rehab. But we've reached a point where we've sort of plateaued, and looking out over the timeline, we felt like it was going to take a few weeks without doing anything, but maybe doing a little extra procedure might hurry things along."

Placing Harrell on PUP means he'll be ineligible to return to the active roster until at least Week 7. Without getting into specifics, Thompson said the latest surgery will be a little different than the one Harrell underwent in April. It could be performed as soon as today.

"The quicker the better, obviously, because then you can kind of start back on the whole recovery thing," Thompson said.

[HarveyWallbangers]

me, sir. I didn't like the trade.

Were you a Wynn guy last year?

[SkinBasket]

Well, Brohm was a "steal" because he was graded more highly on the boards of "experts", but Brian Brohm is a player I never liked in college and was never impressed by. So far he's entirely lived down to my expectations, and not only that he has a low ceiling. If he turns out to be great, that's wonderful, but there's a reason that he got passed 55 times in the draft.

We could have used that pick in a number of better ways.

Have you gotten your job offer letter from the front office yet? If not, I would wait next to mailbox. There's a spot next to the dog with his tail in the air waiting for the afternoon sun.

[rbaloha1]

Unfortunate

Harrell flashed power and explosion last season. According to Reggie Mckenzie JH is a high character guy.

JH's mental toughness needs to be questioned. Or is just bad lack? Fully expect JH to make solid contributions later in the season.

Currently the middle is soft. Think we will be fine once Pickett returns. Depth is certainly an issue since Cole and Jenkins are capable for only a few series.

[retailguy]

While Williams had his faults, I do think that he was worth keeping around on the franchise tag for another year. I kind of agree with those who say his contract with Cleveland is too rich, but the tag for a year would've been a fairly good deal for Green Bay. I'd certainly feel better about our DL right now, and suspect that most others would as well.

Hindsight is 20/20. There weren't many people, not even Bretsky, who didn't like the trade at the time.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=11454

Whatever Harvey, you call it the way you see it. But you'll still be WRONG.

Harrell's problems were well documented at the time. They SHOULD HAVE given pause to any rationally thinking person. Maybe they did and Ted traded anyhow. Maybe they didn't.

But to call it second guessing? Ridiculous. The arguably TOP prospect was looking anything like a TOP prospect at perhaps the second most important position on a football team. You've got a guy performing at "almost" pro bowl level that you can keep for $6.3m or trade for a 2nd round pick that likely won't make the contribution in 2008 that Williams will make. There was NOTHING to suggest that Williams wouldn't have had value after 2008 either.

You go on to state that you "couldn't have predicted" all the other moves that happened to make this deal look questionable, however, YOU aren't an expert. You're just a loud-mouthed guy with the popular forum opinion... and a subscription to every sports magazine published since 1950. When your top prospect is out, then your top prospect is out. If you make the call that other prospects are just as good, but if you get that wrong, well then you deserve the criticism.

These things happen all the time. Guys get in trouble. Guys flash brilliance, then peter out. When you trade for a pick, you essentially say that you'll trade the 1st years production for future performance. Ted is ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE for that... His choice. His consequence.

Finally, the assertion that "almost the whole forum agreed with it" is patently ludicrous. If that's the best you got.... <sheesh>

[Carolina_Packer]

Injuries to players are unfortunate, especially when they are trying to make a first impression, like Harrell is. We haven't been able to see what he can do healthy for one year. His bicep injury was known about and they took a flyer on him anyway. The back injury lifting weights was just dumb luck. It doesn't mean he's a bust, though. If he sucks when back to health and with a little bit of experience under his belt, then he's a bust.

[Merlin]

I was a little surprised by Wynn being let go this soon although we are fairly deep at running back so we knew someone had to go and probably one or two more before it's all said and done. Francis again plays at a position we are deep at and there are clearly more talented guys in front of him. Justin Harrell, no surprise that he now can't play until week 7 if at all. If this were Cledius Hunt everyone would be calling for him to be cut, but for whatever reason everyone still has high hopes that Harrell can contribute. Personally I think the guy is a bust primarily becaue he hasn't been healthy since his Junior year at college (and I don't think he played every game that year, I could be wrong). At the very least he for all intents and purposes didn't play his senior year, barely played last year, and probably won't play this year. That's 3 seasons of football and you don't get better when you don't play. We need to get him healthy, on the roster, then cut him before we get stuck with the injury payments...

Comparing Cleditus Hunt to Justin Harrel is plain idotic. This is only Harrel's second year. Thats why people are stilling cutting him a little slack. Hunt, you seem tyo forget, had been in the league several seasons and was given a fat contract. He then proceded to stink up the joint. People wanted Hunt gone becuase he wasn't coming close to the prduction expected from the contract given him. Harrel is still basically a rookie.If yu can't see that is why some people still have hope for Harrell, then you truely are blind.

Why am I not surprised by your blind hatred of fellow man. The facts are against you so you attack me. Not many people supported Cledius Hunt and most everyone can agree the guy was a waste. By comparing a player who has as of yet been healthy enough to even play the game the past 3 years who was an overall number one pick vs a guy who had one good season, got paid a lot, then sucked, isn't a stretch. In FACT, it is just about the same thing, with one difference: At least we got 1 year of production out of Hunt and a few million dollar a piece tackles in comparison to a handful of games where Harrell made no impact. Outside of that, I guess they are pretty much in the same boat. Harrell has not been healthy almost his entire college/NFL career. He has what is obviously a serious back injury that I doubt he will be able to come back from. His triceps injury was a serious enough one that not many people come back from and now he has another injury. You can hope for him in 2009, if in fact he doesn't break a nail.

As far as your hate speech, I suggest you take a long look in that mirror inside of your glass house before you go throwing any more stones....

[Merlin]

Injuries to players are unfortunate, especially when they are trying to make a first impression, like Harrell is. We haven't been able to see what he can do healthy for one year. His bicep injury was known about and they took a flyer on him anyway. The back injury lifting weights was just dumb luck. It doesn't mean he's a bust, though. If he sucks when back to health and with a little bit of experience under his belt, then he's a bust.

I think the guy has had a string of bad luck dating back his entire career. That being said, I didn't then and I can't now fathom taking a gamble on a guy who has never been healthy. And what I said is true: When you aren't playing the game you can't get better at it. He needs to be on the field, injury free. I can be optimistic about a lot of things, but history is on my side here: The guy can't stay healthy. It now appears it won't be until year 3 that he will be healthy enough to contribute. 3 years for a #1 draft pick to finally get healthy enough to play (and learn the NFL game on the field)? I guess to me that has bust written all over it...

[Zool]

Injuries to players are unfortunate, especially when they are trying to make a first impression, like Harrell is. We haven't been able to see what he can do healthy for one year. His bicep injury was known about and they took a flyer on him anyway. The back injury lifting weights was just dumb luck. It doesn't mean he's a bust, though. If he sucks when back to health and with a little bit of experience under his belt, then he's a bust.

Exactly. Saying someone KNEW he would get hurt again is like a lottery winner saying "i KNEW i was going to win"

[Lurker64]

Injuries to players are unfortunate, especially when they are trying to make a first impression, like Harrell is. We haven't been able to see what he can do healthy for one year. His bicep injury was known about and they took a flyer on him anyway. The back injury lifting weights was just dumb luck. It doesn't mean he's a bust, though. If he sucks when back to health and with a little bit of experience under his belt, then he's a bust.

Exactly. Saying someone KNEW he would get hurt again is like a lottery winner saying "i KNEW i was going to win"

Unfortunately, that happens in the state of Wisconsin as well.