Wynn Cut, Harrell on Pup List

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You just don't seem to understand the NFL.

Yep, that's it.

Now, please tell me again, that I'm imagining the 'elitist' mentality.

There is a reason CBs go high in the draft...they are hard to find.

Which makes it all the more important when you can get a quality 3rd guy (who is available), who could become a starter soon, since our guys are both on the older side.

What's wrong with pursuing it? We pursued Al Harris when we had Tyrone Williams and Mike McKenzie... that seemed to work out ok...

Is it elitist to know more than someone else? I guess so..but, i guess when you told us about oil and drilling..that wasn't elitst...to trust you. And, that you knew more than the gov't, etc.

Puhlease. You are such a freakin hypocrite. look in the mirror sometime.

Pursuing: I never said one thing about that. However, Sheppard isn't going to want to come here to be a 3rd CB..he is already that. And, who knows how that will sour him to our org..or how that will make our current CBs feel..both the starters and the younger players.

And, to compare harris is foolish. Harris wasn't a former starter and pro bowl player. His mindset was different. ANd, he wasn't constantly hurt. everybody knows lito is injury prone. My god, you are on JH and yet you want this guy.

available: proof please. They signed asante in march. Does that not make you wonder about if he is really available...or if the price is ridiculous.

[retailguy]

Nothing wrong with Cason, but what makes him better than Tramon Williams

I think he's OK. Just as OK as Williams

[retailguy]

Is it elitist to know more than someone else? I guess so..but, i guess when you told us about oil and drilling..that wasn't elitst...to trust you.

Well, I have about 20 years of experience in Oil & Gas, so at this point, I think I know a few things about how it works.

taking your analogy to it's fullest conclusion, I was unaware that you had 20 years of experience working in the NFL.....

[SkinBasket]

Someone's forgetting the glory days of having Evans and Buckley backed up by Sammy Walker, Bruce Pickens, Muhammad Oliver, and Roland Mitchell. You just don't see depth like that anymore.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Is it elitist to know more than someone else? I guess so..but, i guess when you told us about oil and drilling..that wasn't elitst...to trust you.

Well, I have about 20 years of experience in Oil & Gas, so at this point, I think I know a few things about how it works.

taking your analogy to it's fullest conclusion, I was unaware that you had 20 years of experience working in the NFL.....

Thanx for proving my point. You are a hypocrite. You are an elitist.

But, regardless of your length of time..doesn't mean you are right. And, to say that because you have experience means you are right..that is elitism. Or isn't it.

One doesn't need 20 years of NFL experience to know more than you. Sorry, but your posts pretty much bear it out.

[pbmax]

One thing unmentioned in the pining for Corey Williams; his tender was not signed until he had an agreement to redo the deal with the Browns.

Even if you don't trade Williams, he isn't going to want to play for the tender. His leverage is to holdout. So Justin Harrell or no, Williams might not even have been on the field until next week. At which time I am sure his hamstrings would have been just fine.

To get him to report after Pickett, KGB and Harrell's injuries would have cost a boatload of cash. And he wasn't worth it. Just because Harrell did not pan out this camp, doesn't mean Williams was the right move.

[Partial]

Hindsights 20/20. Good deal at the time. Shame Harrell, Pickett, and Jolly all got hurt or in trouble.

[The Gunshooter]

Sheppard has played in 77 of 96 possible games, thats 80%. Charles Woodson had played in 87 of 112 up until GB signed him, that's 77%.

[The Gunshooter]

One thing unmentioned in the pining for Corey Williams; his tender was not signed until he had an agreement to redo the deal with the Browns.

Even if you don't trade Williams, he isn't going to want to play for the tender. His leverage is to holdout. So Justin Harrell or no, Williams might not even have been on the field until next week. At which time I am sure his hamstrings would have been just fine.

To get him to report after Pickett, KGB and Harrell's injuries would have cost a boatload of cash. And he wasn't worth it. Just because Harrell did not pan out this camp, doesn't mean Williams was the right move.

You are right. The last thing GB needed was another controversy like that. Brohm looks like a slug so I think GB got nothing from that deal anyway.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nothing wrong with Cason, but what makes him better than Tramon Williams

I think he's OK. Just as OK as Williams

So, what's your point then? Since it appears you already defeated it.

[retailguy]

Nothing wrong with Cason, but what makes him better than Tramon Williams

I think he's OK. Just as OK as Williams

So, what's your point then? Since it appears you already defeated it.

I defeated it from ONE guy on ONE team? Ok, who would you rather have, Williams or Cason? Cason's got much better upside than Williams, or Lee for that matter...

Me? I'll take the veteran. Sheppard likely helps this year. coming off 13-3, that's a good deal to me, depending on what we've got to give up to get him.

For the longer term? I want Cason over any of them.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I defeated it from ONE guy on ONE team? Ok, who would you rather have, Williams or Cason? Cason's got much better upside than Williams, or Lee for that matter...

Who knows? Cason and Lee are both rookies. Cason was a late 1st. Lee a late 2nd. (Didn't Greg Jennings turn out to be better than most WRs taken ahead of him?) We have no idea who will be a better player. Tramon could end up being the best of the three. Personally, I wasn't a big fan of Cason--for our scheme. The point is that the Packers are in better shape at corner than most teams in the league. Pointing out a few teams that may or may not be better doesn't really improve your argument--especially when you are pointing out a team that also has young corners as backups.

[mmmdk]

Coach McCarthy said on the 25th of aug. that Wynn had a lot of football in front of him?? Did he mean on TV???

[cpk1994]

I was a little surprised by Wynn being let go this soon although we are fairly deep at running back so we knew someone had to go and probably one or two more before it's all said and done. Francis again plays at a position we are deep at and there are clearly more talented guys in front of him. Justin Harrell, no surprise that he now can't play until week 7 if at all. If this were Cledius Hunt everyone would be calling for him to be cut, but for whatever reason everyone still has high hopes that Harrell can contribute. Personally I think the guy is a bust primarily becaue he hasn't been healthy since his Junior year at college (and I don't think he played every game that year, I could be wrong). At the very least he for all intents and purposes didn't play his senior year, barely played last year, and probably won't play this year. That's 3 seasons of football and you don't get better when you don't play. We need to get him healthy, on the roster, then cut him before we get stuck with the injury payments...

Comparing Cleditus Hunt to Justin Harrel is plain idotic. This is only Harrel's second year. Thats why people are stilling cutting him a little slack. Hunt, you seem tyo forget, had been in the league several seasons and was given a fat contract. He then proceded to stink up the joint. People wanted Hunt gone becuase he wasn't coming close to the prduction expected from the contract given him. Harrel is still basically a rookie.If yu can't see that is why some people still have hope for Harrell, then you truely are blind.

Why am I not surprised by your blind hatred of fellow man. The facts are against you so you attack me. Not many people supported Cledius Hunt and most everyone can agree the guy was a waste. By comparing a player who has as of yet been healthy enough to even play the game the past 3 years who was an overall number one pick vs a guy who had one good season, got paid a lot, then sucked, isn't a stretch. In FACT, it is just about the same thing, with one difference: At least we got 1 year of production out of Hunt and a few million dollar a piece tackles in comparison to a handful of games where Harrell made no impact. Outside of that, I guess they are pretty much in the same boat. Harrell has not been healthy almost his entire college/NFL career. He has what is obviously a serious back injury that I doubt he will be able to come back from. His triceps injury was a serious enough one that not many people come back from and now he has another injury. You can hope for him in 2009, if in fact he doesn't break a nail.

As far as your hate speech, I suggest you take a long look in that mirror inside of your glass house before you go throwing any more stones....

You jsut made my point for me. People knew Hunt was a waste becuase they had several seasons to make that distinction. Harrell is only had one. That is why people are still cutting Harrell some slack and still willing to give him a chance. You on the other hand, proclaim players busts on draft day and refuse to give them any chance(Rodgers, Crosby to name two) On that basis alone it is ludicrous to compare to Hunt just yet. On a side note, I don't hate you, just think you are an ignorant tool.

[Merlin]

Re: Harrell

Teddy made the statement in regarding Wynn that you have to make yourself "available". Does'nt that also apply to Harrell? Difference is his neck is on the line with Harrell and he'll make all the excuses he can think of. Just a tad hypocritical.................

The difference is that Harrell has a ton more talent that Wynn AND GMs never cut a 1st round pick before year 2 even starts. That's any GM. I don't buy the other lame explanations.

Where is this talent you speak of? It sure has'nt been on display in GB. Hell, Wynn had talent in college too. Look, any really "MOTIVATED" athlete would have realized how disappointing he was as a 1st rd pick and would have worked his ass off during the off-season to come out on fire in year 2. What did Harrell do? He went home and ate everything his momma put in front of him. Yeah, that's motivation.

The scouts were all in agreement about his talent. You can deny that all you want, but it is the truth. And, the statement was in comparison to wynn. Not even a dispute.

JH is a young kid who is/was immature and didnt' realize the demands of pro ball. That is quite a difference between being unmotivated.

That is the past. Should we condemn him for that forever. I seem to recall a QB that was out drinking so much his rookie year that his coach wanted to cut him. A qb that fell asleep in meetings, didn't pay attention, and was generally considered to be a loser.

He got hurt lifting weights...doesn't that tell you something about his movitivation now. That is what matters...NOW!

The scouts were also in agreement (unanimously) that he was a huge risk to take in the first round because of his injury history. In fact because he sat out basically his entire senior year with injury, that should have pushed him out of the first round entirely (maybe early second round at best according to these "scouts" you are parroting). He had 1 good season, 3 years ago and I believe he didn't play every game that season or any season in college for that matter. I question his work ethic as all players are expected to lift weights so him doing so does not show his work ethic. I would say it was because of his poor work ethic that he got injured lifting weights, the guy didn't do what was necessary to play in the NFL. Can he turn it around? I say doubtful because of the severity of the injuries.