WHAT GRADE do you give TT thus far in DRAFTS

[Bretsky]

HERE IS A LIST OF THE DRAFT PICKS BY TED THOMPSON. With debate lately about TT's method of pick accumulation realizing he'll hit on some and not on others, I decided to post a history of GB's draft picks over the past four years. I realize it's too early to judge a lot of these picks.....but this is just a dam forum so we can try to judge them anyways ! And I'm perfectly aware I have not counted undrafted free agents !

Numbers wise, TT has had 40 draft picks over the past four years. I'm too lazy to do the numbers as to how many starters, backups for GB, and backups for other teams those picks have produced.

Mark down your grade and feel free to comment about picks or overall track record.

2008

2- Jordy Nelson (Jets trade up to get GB's #1 and draft Dustin Keller)
2- Brian Brohm
2- Patrick Lee
3- Jermichael Finley
4- Jeremy Thompson
4- Josh Sitton
5- Breno Giocomimi
7- Matt Flynn
7- Brett Swain

2007

1- Justin Harrell
2- Brandon Jackson
3- James Jones
3- Aaron Rouse
4- Allen Barbre
5- David Clowney
6- Korey Hall
6- Desmond Bishop
7- DaShawn Wynn
7- Clark Harris

2006

1- AJ Hawk
2- Darren Colledge
2- Greg Jennings
3- Abdul Hodge
3- Jason Spitz
4- Will Blackmond
5- Ingle Martin
5- Tony Moll
6- Johnny Jolly
7- Dave Tollefson

2005 NFL Draft

1- Aaron Rodgers
2- Nick Collins
2- Terrance Murphy
4- Marvel Underwood
4- Brady Poppinga
5- Orange Juice Coston
5- Mike Hawkins
6- Craig Bragg
6- Mike Montgomery
7- Kurt Campbell
7- Will Whittaker

[Fritz]

I'm good with it; I'd like to see TT be able to hit a little better on The "A" level players. Maybe a couple of linemen, you know?

Elsewhere, he seems to do rather well.

[Bretsky]

I didn't list an F option as IMO that would be unreasonable.

It's actually quite interesting to see players we passed up at certain picks when looking through a draft

Leon Washington would have looked really nice at that Blackmond pick

[Bretsky]

fun to look at the past picks

2006 and 2007 sure would have different grades so far

[Partial]

His 2006 draft was phenomenal. I'd be curious to see how other teams did that year. 2006 was the deepest draft in recent memory as far as I can tell.

2005 has at most two starters. That is less than ideal.

2007 has yielded solid depth and Korey Hall as a starter. It's not so great at this point.

[Pugger]

I think if a team can find a half a dozen guys in any one draft that will start and/or contribute that is a good draft. The draft is the ultimate crap shoot. Just because a player was great in college doesn't mean he'll be an all star in the pros. There are enough busts in the first round historically for every team to illustrate this fact (and guys to numerous to list that were great pros taken in later rounds and/or not even drafted). And it takes a couple of seasons before you can grade any draft so its too soon to tell about 2007 and 2008. Let's address this again in a couple more years...

[red]

i see him as a solid c-d if it wasn't for the 2006 draft

that was a good draft, even though i think spitz and colledge aren't good enough to be starters

[Noodle]

First, it's not too early at all to judge, especially since this is the way TT is developing the team. Besides, the guy now has 4 drafts under his belt -- that's a decent body of work.

Now for the eval: 2006 was a sick year for talent league-wide. The Pack also benefitted by having gone 4-12 in 2005. Draft position tends to be key, and TT's 2006 draft reflects its importance. A solid job, but not remarkable given the talent available and his draft position.

When TT drafted after last year's 13-3 run, his picks looked much more Shermanesque. If anything, I think he totally blew it by trading down for Nelson and letting Keller go. Anyone think that Finley will ever be half the talent at TE, a position where we've lacked a real playmaker since Jackson left, that Keller will? I like Jordy a lot, but we had other more pressing needs than another receiver.

Most glaringly, his line picks have been largely abject failures. No OL that TT has picked has done anything of note. The best you can say is that Colledge is now mediocre. Jolly is the only DL that has produced, and that has been sporadic. Haven't I heard somewhere that the game is won in the trenches? TT hasn't done squanto to give the Pack anywhere near the level of talent on the DL or OL to become an elite team.

[RashanGary]

B


Jennings is a probowler
Rodgers looks to have one or two in his future and that is a QB so it's double important
Colledge and Spitz might be our two best lineman right now. Very good picks
Lots of good linebackers and safties
Several good depth players accross the board



We need more DLineman. That's my biggest complaint. Sooner than later we're also going to need some OT's but I can't blame him for that just yet because we're doing OK with what we have. I'm hopefull for anohter year of several picks to really round out this roster and make this team physical up front going forward.

[Rastak]

B


Jennings is a probowler
Rodgers looks to have one or two in his future and that is a QB so it's double important
Colledge and Spitz might be our two best lineman right now. Very good picks
Lots of good linebackers and safties
Several good depth players accross the board



We need more DLineman. That's my biggest complaint. Sooner than later we're also going to need some OT's but I can't blame him for that just yet because we're doing OK with what we have. I'm hopefull for anohter year of several picks to really round out this roster and make this team physical up front going forward.

I'm guessing you are saying Jennings will be a pro-bowler this year (which I agree with) because he isn't one thus far.

[RashanGary]

I'm guessing you are saying Jennings will be a pro-bowler this year (which I agree with) because he isn't one thus far.

He's a stud whether he makes it or not. He probably will, but I don't care if he doesn't. He deserves to be thought of as elite.

[Noodle]

Colledge and Spitz might be our two best lineman right now. Very good picks
Lots of good linebackers and safties
Several good depth players accross the board

Um, you really want to hold up Colledge and Spitz as examples of good OL drafting? No way. They've both suffered from having to play different positions, but I am not convinced that either will be anything better than mediocre linemen.

And "lots" of good LBs? I'll grant you safeties, but who are these wonder LBs of whom you speak? Hawk has been fine, but he was a No. 5 pick, and I think his limitations are becoming obvious. Who else? Pop? Please. Bishop? Nada. Hodge? JAG.

[RashanGary]

I'd say Larry Mccarren knows more about OL than you and he's pretty enamoured with Colledge right now. I spotted Colledges solid play earlier, but since my opinion is but one internet junkies, I choose to site Mccarren's opinion.

Spitz has been rock solid and is even better at center (where he'll eventually be when Sitton moves to guard and we replace mini-me Wells).


In short, yeah, I think those are really good picks. You shouldn't expect rookies to play great out of the gate and 2nd year players have a learning curve too. NOw that they've matured into NFL players they're doing a really good job, esspecially Colledge. HE's a really good player whether you want to get over yoru first impression or not.



As far as Poopy, yeah, that wasn't a great pick but a solid ST/Backup type player in the 4th round isn't bad. I like both Bishop and Hawk.

[wist43]

I gave him a C...

Jennings is the only difference maker, nobody else is even a red chip type player.

Rodgers has been better than I expected, but he'll never win this team a SB... he could QB a power team to a SB perhaps, but not a QB dependent team like the Packers.

Hawk has turned into what some of us feared... a JAG; so, even though he is a legitmate NFL player and not a bust, for the 5th pick he's a disappointment. Harrell is a bust.

Everybody is else is just a bunch of "so what"... marginal starters, career backups, and fringe players.

Quantity over quality... we're spinning our wheels, and will continue to do so for a number of years. TT's not going anywhere, neither is MM. They'd have to bottom out to be ousted, and I don't see that happening. They should be able to stay in the 8-8 to 10-6 range perpetually, but never be a serious threat to win it all.

[RashanGary]

Quantity of quality... we're spinning our wheels, and will continue to do so for a number of years. TT's not going anywhere, neither is MM. They'd have to bottom out to be ousted, and I don't see that happening. They should be able to stay in the 8-8 to 10-6 range perpetually, but never be a serious threat to win it all.

Haha. . . . Boy, you're observant. I didn't think there was enough information to deduct all that