Its not always a Brett Favre thing

[MJZiggy]

Are you saying then when should win 3-0 if we kick a field goal early.

God damn. The game shouldn't have been close.

Do you think the offense is doing enough to win. Please tell me 3 pts in the second half is good enough to win.

If we are ahead 3-0 with less than 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter, then yes I expect to win 3-0. I expect our defense to hold a lead that late in the game every single time, regardless what the actual score is.

See, I don't, and I don't think most NFL teams do. You're only going to hold a team X amount of times regardless of the time left. Eventually, they're going to get lucky and something is going to give.

We don't have an elite defense. The offense needs to stop relying on them for so much help.

So the opponent got "lucky" 6 times this season, huh?

[Partial]

No, the offense underachieved on several of those occasions. Good teams win sometimes win an offensive score, and sometimes with a defensive stop.

We haven't gotten the offensive score yet. We've been bailed out by the D on a number of occasions, including Minne ( big return from Will Blackmon ), Detroit, etc.

[digitaldean]

No, the offense underachieved on several of those occasions. Good teams win sometimes win an offensive score, and sometimes with a defensive stop.

We haven't gotten the offensive score yet. We've been bailed out by the D on a number of occasions, including Minne ( big return from Will Blackmon ), Detroit, etc.

You are forgetting some key points here, Partial. The offense DID get them the lead vs. Carolina and Jax only to have the D muff it up.

Last week, a VERY iffy holding call and some wretched O-line blocking forced us out of FG range to win. That can be chalked up on the offense.

ARod at least drove the ball down far enough for a game winning attempt vs. Minny.

So there have been some offensive failings, but mostly this slide falls on the D.

[MJZiggy]

True, the defense is giving up 4th quarter leads.

They Suck

But they shouldn't be put in that spot every game either.

We score 1 td

Socre 3 pts in the second half, when the d held Jacksonville scoreless for over 30 minutes at one point.

The offense couldn't convert either. But no one touches them and the new golden boy

Yes, damn the offense for putting them in the horrible position of having a lead. Bastards.

The offense didn't play incredibly today, but they did wind up with a late lead and should have won the game if the defense hadn't failed ridiculously when it mattered most. Should they have had more points? Sure, but these end of game drives are some of the worst football I've seen since the Infante years. You're defending the defense that gave up over 500 yards in a single game this season. That's the worst in over 20 years and you're wanting to lay this season on the offense? The defense has got to be able to hold up a 9-point lead. They weren't ahead by 3, they were ahead by 9. You hold 9 points. Oh and I forgot. They had 1 pressure the entire first half. WTF is that? ONE pressure?

[dissident94]

So does Baltimore's defense stink then. they gave up a lead late in the game and lost 13-9.

[MJZiggy]

Depends. Have they done it 6 times this season? If they have, then yes. They suck.

[prsnfoto]

True, the defense is giving up 4th quarter leads.

They Suck

But they shouldn't be put in that spot every game either.

We score 1 td

Socre 3 pts in the second half, when the d held Jacksonville scoreless for over 30 minutes at one point.

The offense couldn't convert either. But no one touches them and the new golden boy

So you are saying the defense shouldn't have to hold a 4th quarter lead? I nominate this for the "Dumbest Post of the Year" Award becuase now I have heard it all.

It is simple guys like this moron(cpk1994) have TT and MM and Rodgers sausages shoved so far down thier throats and hate Favre so much they will never admit they were wrong so they have to blame everyting on somebody else. Yes the defense has sucked, but so have the above mentioned beyond belief.

[digitaldean]

So does Baltimore's defense stink then. they gave up a lead late in the game and lost 13-9.

One time can happen to anybody. THREE CONSECUTIVE meltdowns are entirely different.

[dissident94]

So three times Rodgers gets the ball with timeouts and a chance to comeback and score and three times he thows a pick.

Not even to mention the other game where he threw a pick jsut before half.

So three times makes it a trend right

[Partial]

No, the offense underachieved on several of those occasions. Good teams win sometimes win an offensive score, and sometimes with a defensive stop.

We haven't gotten the offensive score yet. We've been bailed out by the D on a number of occasions, including Minne ( big return from Will Blackmon ), Detroit, etc.

You are forgetting some key points here, Partial. The offense DID get them the lead vs. Carolina and Jax only to have the D muff it up.

Last week, a VERY iffy holding call and some wretched O-line blocking forced us out of FG range to win. That can be chalked up on the offense.

ARod at least drove the ball down far enough for a game winning attempt vs. Minny.

So there have been some offensive failings, but mostly this slide falls on the D.

So what? Who cares if they had the lead 5 minutes into a game and lost it or 50 minutes into a game? The game is 60 minutes long.. You look at the score at the end. The D didn't give up very many points at all.

I don't fault the D for losing games in which they held the opposition to 21 and 20 points. That is ridiculous.

[Partial]

So does Baltimore's defense stink then. they gave up a lead late in the game and lost 13-9.

One time can happen to anybody. THREE CONSECUTIVE meltdowns are entirely different.

You act like the Packers offense never had a chance to get the ball, and was putting up 40+ points a game.

It'd be different if we had an offensive explosion, but we're scoring an unacceptable amount of points.

Packers had ample opportunity during the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters to change the dynamic of the game but they did not capitalize.

[LEWCWA]

This is the dumbest argument in the world! The defense can't stop anybody to save their lives. The offense is so inconsistant it is pathetic. ST is crappy as well. This is an all around bad team right now.

[dissident94]

This is the dumbest argument in the world! The defense can't stop anybody to save their lives. The offense is so inconsistant it is pathetic. ST is crappy as well. This is an all around bad team right now.

Yes finally, this is the exact thing I was saying on the topic starter. Both sides of the ball suck. But wathcing the game today I was saying to myself if they lose in the 4th Q all people will say is the defense stinks again and wont mention the 3 pts scored in the second half

[LEWCWA]

This is gets argued so much, because a bunch of people around here have their credibility attached to Rodgers. They will defend him at all cost.

[digitaldean]

So does Baltimore's defense stink then. they gave up a lead late in the game and lost 13-9.

One time can happen to anybody. THREE CONSECUTIVE meltdowns are entirely different.

You act like the Packers offense never had a chance to get the ball, and was putting up 40+ points a game.

It'd be different if we had an offensive explosion, but we're scoring an unacceptable amount of points.

Packers had ample opportunity during the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters to change the dynamic of the game but they did not capitalize.

And you act like we weren't shredded last week by Houston(!) Who only kept us in the game because they couldn't hold onto the ball in the red zone or handle a punt.

I am not debating the offense point at all. The play call to Finley (let alone having him active) was baffling. Grant's drop and Moll's whiff that caused the fumble caused 2 other TD opportunities lost. The fourth and short call and lack of execution, horrific.

I never said you can't lay some blame down on the offense for not making this out of reach earlier. Rodgers could have made better throws down the stretch, especially to Lee on the INT. Lee was open.

That being said, there was one common factor the last three weeks. We had the opponent tied or behind late in the game and it was blown by the D.