Its not always a Brett Favre thing

[LEWCWA]

So does Baltimore's defense stink then. they gave up a lead late in the game and lost 13-9.

One time can happen to anybody. THREE CONSECUTIVE meltdowns are entirely different.

You act like the Packers offense never had a chance to get the ball, and was putting up 40+ points a game.

It'd be different if we had an offensive explosion, but we're scoring an unacceptable amount of points.

Packers had ample opportunity during the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters to change the dynamic of the game but they did not capitalize.

And you act like we weren't shredded last week by Houston(!) Who only kept us in the game because they couldn't hold onto the ball in the red zone or handle a punt.

I am not debating the offense point at all. The play call to Finley (let alone having him active) was baffling. Grant's drop and Moll's whiff that caused the fumble caused 2 other TD opportunities lost. The fourth and short call and lack of execution, horrific.

I never said you can't lay some blame down on the offense for not making this out of reach earlier. Rodgers could have made better throws down the stretch, especially to Lee on the INT. Lee was open.

That being said, there was one common factor the last three weeks. We had the opponent tied or behind late in the game and it was blown by the D.

Another common factor is Rodgers had the ball in his hands with a chance to win and came up empty!

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This is the dumbest argument in the world! The defense can't stop anybody to save their lives. The offense is so inconsistant it is pathetic. ST is crappy as well. This is an all around bad team right now.

Yes finally, this is the exact thing I was saying on the topic starter. Both sides of the ball suck. But wathcing the game today I was saying to myself if they lose in the 4th Q all people will say is the defense stinks again and wont mention the 3 pts scored in the second half

Same here. and like a moth to light the masses flock to this argument.

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So does Baltimore's defense stink then. they gave up a lead late in the game and lost 13-9.

One time can happen to anybody. THREE CONSECUTIVE meltdowns are entirely different.

You act like the Packers offense never had a chance to get the ball, and was putting up 40+ points a game.

It'd be different if we had an offensive explosion, but we're scoring an unacceptable amount of points.

Packers had ample opportunity during the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters to change the dynamic of the game but they did not capitalize.

And you act like we weren't shredded last week by Houston(!) Who only kept us in the game because they couldn't hold onto the ball in the red zone or handle a punt.

I am not debating the offense point at all. The play call to Finley (let alone having him active) was baffling. Grant's drop and Moll's whiff that caused the fumble caused 2 other TD opportunities lost. The fourth and short call and lack of execution, horrific.

I never said you can't lay some blame down on the offense for not making this out of reach earlier. Rodgers could have made better throws down the stretch, especially to Lee on the INT. Lee was open.

That being said, there was one common factor the last three weeks. We had the opponent tied or behind late in the game and it was blown by the D.

We were shredded for yards; not points. Very different. I could not care less if a team gets a million yards.. If they score 20 points I'm happy with my D.

The game isn't who gets more yards. It's who gets more points!

[digitaldean]

Another common factor is Rodgers had the ball in his hands with a chance to win and came up empty!

Yeah, if that's your ONLY means of measuring him being a success, I'll buy that.

Like I said before to Pacopete, you just can't keep discounting the defensive shortcomings. You want to point out 3 pts. of offense in the 2nd half, remember to look at a 50 yard bomb the D gave up. Even McCarren commented he couldn't believe how bad the D played at the end.

Hey, it's a team loss. Both sides should have played better against a subpar opponent.

As little faith as you have for Rodgers to pull games out, I have equally or even less faith in this D holding a lead, no matter who it is. If we have a decent o-line and d-line, we win 4 out of the 6 close games, EASY.

No consistent blocking and virtually no pass rush (Save Kampy) have killed us the whole season. When they perform like they should, we get the Indy and first Bears game. We get the underachieving side, we get the results the last 3 months have brought us.

[digitaldean]

The game isn't who gets more yards. It's who gets more points!

We are ranked 24th in scoring defense in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&season=2008&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

We are ranked FOURTH in scoring offense in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2008&seasonType=REG

Any more questions??

[denverYooper]

It was disappointing on both sides. Garrard had all day to throw, that was disgusting. The 41 yard rec they gave up to Northcutt was the first 40+ pass play Jax has hit all season. Meh.

I came home and watched the Steelers-Ravens game and am now watching the 'Boys-Jints game. All of these teams are all over the opposing QBs--bang, bang. It's a hell of a lot of fun to see that. I wish our D could do that. Maybe next year.

On the other hand, I think Rodgers has been set up a few times to pull out a game. I think he knows it too, gets anxious in those moments, and makes a bad throw. I can't really ask for much more out of the guy than he's given this season and there are more than enough times he shouldn't be in that position and true enough, other offensive snafus have occurred in crunch times. But dammit if I don't want to see him pull one of those out.

[Merlin]

It's a team sport and the entire team takes the loss, unless your name is Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is being treated differently by the media and by the fans. They are giving him far too much credit, for losing. I guess what's old is the love fest for a QB on a team that's 5-9 and clearly talent-wise better on offense then the 1992 Packers, the last time we had a first time starter. The fans and the media threw Favre under the bus many times over many years, especially early and late in his career, and the Packers didn't have a losing season until 2006. Rodgers gets better if not "godlike" like treatment by both the media and the fans. We aren't winning, no position on the team should be getting credit for "not losing", especially the QB. Some of you are STILL throwing Favre under the bus, for winning. When the Jets win, it isn't Favre, when thy lose it's Favre. "Favre sucks", yadda yadda yadda. The fact is that his team is 9-5 and still in the playoff hunt, the Packers are 5-9 and are not, but that's okay because Aaron Rodgers played well right? I am not saying Bret Favre would have made a difference, I am saying that apply your standards equally or STFU about Favre, that era is done in Green Bay.

[Gunakor]

It's a team sport and the entire team takes the loss, unless your name is Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is being treated differently by the media and by the fans. They are giving him far too much credit, for losing. I guess what's old is the love fest for a QB on a team that's 5-9 and clearly talent-wise better on offense then the 1992 Packers, the last time we had a first time starter. The fans and the media threw Favre under the bus many times over many years, especially early and late in his career, and the Packers didn't have a losing season until 2006. Rodgers gets better if not "godlike" like treatment by both the media and the fans. We aren't winning, no position on the team should be getting credit for "not losing", especially the QB. Some of you are STILL throwing Favre under the bus, for winning. When the Jets win, it isn't Favre, when thy lose it's Favre. "Favre sucks", yadda yadda yadda. The fact is that his team is 9-5 and still in the playoff hunt, the Packers are 5-9 and are not, but that's okay because Aaron Rodgers played well right? I am not saying Bret Favre would have made a difference, I am saying that apply your standards equally or STFU about Favre, that era is done in Green Bay.

Brett's team is better than Aaron's team. That's basically what you are saying, I think.

It's not really a lack of criticism of Rodgers that I see, rather a proportionate amount given our defensive woes. Since it's proportionate it's not equal, and since it's not equal people bitch that Rodgers doesn't get any. Not true. Even his supporters called him out on the INT in the game thread. It was a poor throw. But I'm not going to go overboard because that's not the reason we lost the game. If the defense does it's job protecting a slim lead it never gets to that point, which is why they get the lions share of the criticism. That's where I am coming from here. That last drive that resulted in a FG to put the Packers ahead should have been the game winning drive, not the one that ended in an INT. That's where I lay the most blame.