NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[3irty1]

Those scouts really don't like Hasselbeck; he didn't even make the list of people who got a single vote for being better than Rodgers. Does anyone else think that Hasselbeck is worse than VY, Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington, Jeff Garcia, Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Matt Schaub, Trent Edwards, Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart, JaMarcus Russell, Sage Rosenfels and Daunte Culpepper??????????????

[TennesseePackerBacker]

you're an idiot partial. you claim objectivity, but you're just turning in to another basher. if you think the team not winning this year is A-rod's fault you are too far gone to even reason with. so I wash my hands of you, and will ignore any further retarded comments like, VY is a winner, or, "going back to A-rod's highschool days you can just tell the kid is a loser". If you get beat out by back up Kerry Collins, you are NOT a winner. For you to even use the term "winner" is just absurd. It takes a team to win in football, not one player.

[Partial]

The Titans carried VY more than he carried them.

By your standards, Grossman carried the Bears to the SB right?

If I remember correctly, Young had 4 game winning plays in his rookie season, be them great passes, making some plays with his feet, etc. Because of this unique ability to make plays when the game was on the line, he earned a spot in the pro bowl... as a rookie... read: still has had far less experience in a complex offense than Rodgers.

Just like I'm sure the Colts typically win in spite of Peyton and they frequently carry him

Grossman led the league in games with a quarterback rating over 100+ that season according to Fox. Anyone want to verify that? I'm not saying he carried them, he was incredibly inconsistent but he flashed as a playmaker and certainly had his moments.

[Partial]

you're an idiot partial. you claim objectivity, but you're just turning in to another basher. if you think the team not winning this year is A-rod's fault you are too far gone to even reason with. so I wash my hands of you, and will ignore any further retarded comments like, VY is a winner, or, "going back to A-rod's highschool days you can just tell the kid is a loser". If you get beat out by back up Kerry Collins, you are NOT a winner. For you to even use the term "winner" is just absurd. It takes a team to win in football, not one player.

1. He beat out Kerry Collins. He then got hurt, and became depressed as a result of his injury. Within a week he made a public statement about how the whole story was blown out proportion, etc.

2. I blame the offense, and the defense. The team is horrendous. See my signature. My point in my crusade is that everyone here is so quick to blame the defense, but these past few weeks they haven't given up too many points. Meanwhile, the offense has been scoring 3-6 points in the second half for awhile, now.

3. VY carrying teams to the playoffs, national championships, and having high school success easily attribute to his ability to win.

[digitaldean]

you're an idiot partial. you claim objectivity, but you're just turning in to another basher. if you think the team not winning this year is A-rod's fault you are too far gone to even reason with. so I wash my hands of you, and will ignore any further retarded comments like, VY is a winner, or, "going back to A-rod's highschool days you can just tell the kid is a loser". If you get beat out by back up Kerry Collins, you are NOT a winner. For you to even use the term "winner" is just absurd. It takes a team to win in football, not one player.

1. He beat out Kerry Collins.

If VY was such an asset this season, why did Fisher leave Collins in and keep VY on the bench. If VY can inspire his team to victory, or better yet carry them, why, would Fisher not put him in.

Here's why....VY had a great first season. But when adversity struck and he was faltering, VY couldn't take the boos and folded like a house of cards. Then it took the Nashville PD to find him so he wouldn't do something stupid to himself.

He got hurt, Collins led them to victory and kept a hot hand. If VY was that much better or if Collins stunk that much VY would be in the lineup in a heartbeat.

[Partial]

you're an idiot partial. you claim objectivity, but you're just turning in to another basher. if you think the team not winning this year is A-rod's fault you are too far gone to even reason with. so I wash my hands of you, and will ignore any further retarded comments like, VY is a winner, or, "going back to A-rod's highschool days you can just tell the kid is a loser". If you get beat out by back up Kerry Collins, you are NOT a winner. For you to even use the term "winner" is just absurd. It takes a team to win in football, not one player.

1. He beat out Kerry Collins.

If VY was such an asset this season, why did Fisher leave Collins in and keep VY on the bench. If VY can inspire his team to victory, or better yet carry them, why, would Fisher not put him in.

Here's why....VY had a great first season. But when adversity struck and he was faltering, VY couldn't take the boos and folded like a house of cards. Then it took the Nashville PD to find him so he wouldn't do something stupid to himself.

He got hurt, Collins led them to victory and kept a hot hand. If VY was that much better or if Collins stunk that much VY would be in the lineup in a heartbeat.

Agreed.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

you're an idiot partial. you claim objectivity, but you're just turning in to another basher. if you think the team not winning this year is A-rod's fault you are too far gone to even reason with. so I wash my hands of you, and will ignore any further retarded comments like, VY is a winner, or, "going back to A-rod's highschool days you can just tell the kid is a loser". If you get beat out by back up Kerry Collins, you are NOT a winner. For you to even use the term "winner" is just absurd. It takes a team to win in football, not one player.

1. He beat out Kerry Collins.

If VY was such an asset this season, why did Fisher leave Collins in and keep VY on the bench. If VY can inspire his team to victory, or better yet carry them, why, would Fisher not put him in.

Here's why....VY had a great first season. But when adversity struck and he was faltering, VY couldn't take the boos and folded like a house of cards. Then it took the Nashville PD to find him so he wouldn't do something stupid to himself.

He got hurt, Collins led them to victory and kept a hot hand. If VY was that much better or if Collins stunk that much VY would be in the lineup in a heartbeat.

For the record, I also seem to remember a certain quarterback in his first year of playing take a lot pressure and criticism quite well. I dare say VY could not have handled the training camp and offseason that Rodgers did this year. And for the record Partial, I don't think you're an idiot, actually quite the opposite. It just makes me angry to see someone clearly intelligent enough to see what's going on, but is blinded by a false truth in to arguing certain points that are just completely asinine.

[Partial]

As for this season, both Jennings and Driver are disappointed in the production the receiver group has had. Their signature has been making additional yards after the catch. Two years ago, they ranked sixth in the NFL in that category and last year they ranked No. 1.

This year, they've dropped to 14th, which is indicative in the decline just about every area of the football team has had compared to its 13-3 season last year.

To me, this speaks volumes about Aaron's accuracy of the crossing routes/slants that the Packers have run so effectively over the past few years. I previously noted how I didn't think Aaron was particularly accurate on the short balls, and much better (comparatively) on his deep passes. I will be curious to watch how this evolves.

[Patler]

As for this season, both Jennings and Driver are disappointed in the production the receiver group has had. Their signature has been making additional yards after the catch. Two years ago, they ranked sixth in the NFL in that category and last year they ranked No. 1.

This year, they've dropped to 14th, which is indicative in the decline just about every area of the football team has had compared to its 13-3 season last year.

To me, this speaks volumes about Aaron's accuracy of the crossing routes/slants that the Packers have run so effectively over the past few years. I previously noted how I didn't think Aaron was particularly accurate on the short balls, and much better (comparatively) on his deep passes. I will be curious to watch how this evolves.

That strikes me as a fact without much meaning because of two other facts:
1. The average yards/completion in 2008 is almost identical to 2007, which was one of the higher averages going back a lot of years.
2. The completion percentage in 2008 falls well within what the Packers have achieved in recent years, lower than a few, higher than quite a few others.

If the Y.A.C. average is down, but the yards/catch average is about the same, with a similar completion percentage, it would seem to indicate the Packers are attempting fewer "catch and run" type plays. But so what? If the yards/reception and completion percentages remain about the same, the passing game is just as productive. It doesn't matter to me if the yards are gained on the throw or on the run after the reception, so long as they get good production out of each reception and each attempt. It doesn't appear there has been much of a change in that regard.

[Rastak]

Partial, you are fascinated with the Jeff Georges of the world and fail to recognize the value of a Matt Hasselbeck.

Are you kidding me? Hass is one of my favorite players and one of the best QBs in the NFL. Comparing Rodgers to Hass is foolish. Also, while a very good quarterback, he has never won a superbowl because he isn't a special playmaker back there.

Some of you guys ignore results and that bothers me. Vince Young has carried a team on his back and WON. Eli Manning has carried a team on his back and WON. Matt Hassellback has carried a team on his back and WON. Will Aaron? That remains to be seen, but to this point the answer is a resounding No.

The Titans carried VY more than he carried them.

By your standards, Grossman carried the Bears to the SB right?

Ouch.....Bossman shoots.....he scores!

[bobblehead]

They rated 12 quarterbacks superior to Rodgers by a 4-0 vote of the scouts:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Jay Cutler
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Ryan
Donovan McNabb
Philip Rivers
Kurt Warner



Three guys were chosen over Rodgers by a 3-1 margin. IOW, one scout disagreed with the other 3 scouts

Brett Favre (let's not go there)
Jake Delhomme (I'd have to say JD is definitely a better starting QB than AR.)
Vince Young (Jeff Fisher disagrees with the "scouts")




These 3 QB's finished in a 2-2 tie with Rodgers, so 2 scouts yea, and two scouts nay

Jason Campbell (Wildly inconsistent and has had his ups and downs all year)
Chad Pennington (Sure, Chad is a helluva man and competitor. AR has the arm and talent all over Chad. Upside? Give me AR any time for potential)
Jeff Garcia (Benched for a bit, I'd say Rodgers has had a better year.)

If you look at it, Rodgers is about the 14th or 15th best QB in the NFL. Top half of the league in his first year as a starter. Not that shabby. His rating was 12? Maybe he outplayed 2-3 of the more highly rated QB's

It's just a list, about right in points, highly debatable in others.

Just wanted to get involved on page 6. From the first list I think we have some overrated QB's. Eli, Cutler, Romo, McNabb, Warner, and Ryan are all debateable in my opinion. Eli has a great team around him and is coming around, but he isn't peyton by any means. He is probably top half, but I won't say top 10. Cutler is maybe the most overrated QB in football. Great arm and release, but makes bad decisions...the comparison to a future HOFer are valid. Romo...he has a great TE, line, WR, and running game. When rodgers has all that I put him even or better. McNabb...maybe in his prime 3-4 years, but that is about it. Warner... I predicted an MVP this year, but honestly...how many coaches have benched him over his career?? He has played well with powerhouse offenses, but that is about it. Ryan. Probably, but let me see him without a dominating run game.

The next 3, BF, Delhomme, Garcia...Delhomme also has a great run game but is solid, BF...again, in his prime but not now, Young....PLEASE!!

Next 3, Garcia, Campbell and Pennington. I have always like pennington and wanted him in the trade. Very smart QB with a weak arm. Seems as though not many teams courted him as a FA though (wonder if AR would get any interest on the open market). Garcia hasn't been able to hold onto a job in the NFL. Campbell...jury is still out, but stats nor wins would indicate he is better than rodgers...ah but maybe intangibles.

Hands down I would go with Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rivers, or Big Ben. After that it gets very grey. Probably Ryan but I would stick with rodgers over anyone else right now. Again there are probably 6-7 where its hard to say...a grey area, but only 5-6 I would say are Clearly better.

[sheepshead]

Partial, you are fascinated with the Jeff Georges of the world and fail to recognize the value of a Matt Hasselbeck.

Are you kidding me? Hass is one of my favorite players and one of the best QBs in the NFL. Comparing Rodgers to Hass is foolish. Also, while a very good quarterback, he has never won a superbowl because he isn't a special playmaker back there.

Some of you guys ignore results and that bothers me. Vince Young has carried a team on his back and WON. Eli Manning has carried a team on his back and WON. Matt Hassellback has carried a team on his back and WON. Will Aaron? That remains to be seen, but to this point the answer is a resounding No.

what the fuck is a "special playmaker" anyway. This is all "espn commentator" garbage. You have no fucking idea what you're even talking about. None of those guys have "carried a team on their back" ...none.

[KYPack]

Partial, you are fascinated with the Jeff Georges of the world and fail to recognize the value of a Matt Hasselbeck.

Are you kidding me? Hass is one of my favorite players and one of the best QBs in the NFL. Comparing Rodgers to Hass is foolish. Also, while a very good quarterback, he has never won a superbowl because he isn't a special playmaker back there.

Some of you guys ignore results and that bothers me. Vince Young has carried a team on his back and WON. Eli Manning has carried a team on his back and WON. Matt Hassellback has carried a team on his back and WON. Will Aaron? That remains to be seen, but to this point the answer is a resounding No.

what the fuck is a "special playmaker" anyway. This is all "espn commentator" garbage. You have no fucking idea what you're even talking about. None of those guys have "carried a team on their back" ...none.

Uh oh.

Sheephead just played the Queen of Clubs.

[sheepshead]

Partial, you are fascinated with the Jeff Georges of the world and fail to recognize the value of a Matt Hasselbeck.

Are you kidding me? Hass is one of my favorite players and one of the best QBs in the NFL. Comparing Rodgers to Hass is foolish. Also, while a very good quarterback, he has never won a superbowl because he isn't a special playmaker back there.

Some of you guys ignore results and that bothers me. Vince Young has carried a team on his back and WON. Eli Manning has carried a team on his back and WON. Matt Hassellback has carried a team on his back and WON. Will Aaron? That remains to be seen, but to this point the answer is a resounding No.

what the fuck is a "special playmaker" anyway. This is all "espn commentator" garbage. You have no fucking idea what you're even talking about. None of those guys have "carried a team on their back" ...none.

Uh oh.

Sheephead just played the Queen of Clubs.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wist43]

What has Hasselbeck won??? If you have a QB dependent system, and the QB isn't a HOF'er... then you have nothing, and must keep looking.

Does anyone expect Seattle to win a SB any time soon??? Isn't that the point??? Winning the SB???

If Rodgers can't win it all, then we're wasting our time. And lest anyone be confused... it is Rodgers who has to win a SB, not anyone else on that team... if he's incapable, then we're sunk before we ever get started.