NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[ThunderDan]

I can't believe that Eli Manning is rated above Rodgers.

The 2008 season is the first time in his career where his passer rating is going to be above 80.

His career stats are:
72 games 1,265/2,265 for 55.8% 14,504 yards or 201.4 yards per game 98 touchdowns 74 interceptions 76.1 passer rating

Giants fans were calling for his head in 2007.Even playing out of his mind the last 6 weeks of the regular season in 2007 his passer rating was 73.9 for the year.

Eli Manning is money. He is a young up-and-comer. H played the perfect pats as well as anybody, then won three road games in the playoffs than beat the Perfect Pats in the rematch. That is a hell of a 5 game stint at QB.

He doesn't have anyone to throw the ball to this year. Plax has been banged up all year. He's carrying a team on his back. That team is his.

Eli crapped the bed. He goes 15/29 169 yards 2 ints 40.7 rating.

He had four drives in the 4th quarter only down 9 and gets nothing. NY nets 99 yards with one fumble and one interception.

[Partial]

He played a bad game. As the QB of a team with a strong running game, much of the fault lies on him.

His defense is spectacular, his running game is great. Plaxicoco fucked them. I would be livid if I was a Giants fan!!

[Lurker64]

I think Eli, as a quarterback of a running team, needs to primarily be a caretaker who doesn't make major mistakes, doesn't turn the ball over, and can occasionally be called upon to make a play on a long third down. Today he made major mistakes, turned the ball over, and wasn't able to make any plays on long third downs.

The Packers offense asks for much more from Rodgers than the Giants offense asks from Eli.

[RashanGary]

I think the scouts had Tom Brady rated in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL the year he won his first Superbowl. Go figure.

[Partial]

I completely disagree. That is crazy talk. The Packers run an extremely conservative passing game as opposed to the run and gun we ran last year.

All our passes are to the outside of the field to minimize risk.

[RashanGary]

I think Eli, as a quarterback of a running team, needs to primarily be a caretaker who doesn't make major mistakes, doesn't turn the ball over, and can occasionally be called upon to make a play on a long third down. Today he made major mistakes, turned the ball over, and wasn't able to make any plays on long third downs.

The Packers offense asks for much more from Rodgers than the Giants offense asks from Eli.

For sure. Eli is a very good game manager. I like his instincts, awareness and savvy. He's not the passer or decision maker that Rodgers is.

[Partial]

I think the scouts had Tom Brady rated in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL the year he won his first Superbowl. Go figure.

He wasn't great then. His arm strength was less than it is now, and they, much like the Packers with Rodgers, played a conservative passing offense.

[RashanGary]

Hell yeah, I'll take SB Brady any day

[SkinBasket]

I think the scouts had Tom Brady rated in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL the year he won his first Superbowl. Go figure.

He wasn't great then. His arm strength was less than it is now, and they, much like the Packers with Rodgers, played a conservative passing offense.

[pbmax]

A comment on the love of YAC. Here is a list of the QB leaders in YAC (as a percentage of their total Passing Yards) for the past three seasons:

2006
Brunell
Carr
Favre
Leftwich
McNabb

2007
Croyle
Favre
Harrington
Griese
Testaverde

2008
Cassel
O'Sullivan
Campbell
Favre
Losman

As you can see by the legends that populate the top of the leaderboard, this stat is, well, a little odd. There are some very bad players in there.

If you want to find out why YAC is more attributable to the Wide Receiver, the Route, the opposing Defense and random fluctuation than the skill of the QB Click Here and Then Click Here.

If you want to skip a list of regressions done, then go to the discussion of 2008 Air Yards Here.

[theeaterofshades]

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I would take Young because:
- He is bigger
- He is faster
- He is stronger
- He is more athletic
- He is a proven winner
- He has a good enough arm

Rodgers has a more powerful and more accurate arm, but give me the guy with superstar potential over the guy with maybe around the 10th best in the league potential. Rodgers doesn't have the raw skill set that Young has, and that is something you cannot learn.

Rodgers may be the better passing quarterback right now, but Young has gotten it done with passing, running, etc. He has shown a knack for making the big play to WIN games. He single-handedly beat the mighty Trojans, he was dominant as a ROOKIE (re: not average to slightly above average as a 4th year player), and while his passing numbers were not great his sophomore year, he still made plenty of plays and carried his team to the playoffs.

I'm not bashing Rodgers here, but I'm sure you'll interpret it that way. VY is a rare specimen, and that is why he went top 3 in the draft. There is an obvious reason that ARod fell as far as he did. Young is a freak.

Ya sure. VY is more of a RB that throws more balls than normal. Without accuracy I might add. I have seen very few run first, mega athletic QBs winning super bowls. Often it is the guys that don't have to carry their teams and play within the system. I use Brady as an illustration. Was not highly considered as a pro prospect coming out of Michigan, but fit Hoodie's scheme perfectly. He plays within his skills and abilities. He suffered a serious knee injury, but once healed, it shouldn't cost him much as the skills he relies on are mental first, physical second. Matt Cassel stepped in as Brady's back up and did much of the same thing as brady... Studied film hard and played within the offense. It has made him some big cash this off season.

Guys like Vince Young and Mike Vick have athletic skills beyond belief, but those skills are mostly wasted in an NFL Offense. If they would be on a team that had the guts to try some form of the option or veer offenses then they would be very scarey. If Vince worked on his passing skills and spent more time on truly learning how to play within the system he would do great things. But for right now he in my estimation is being carried more by the defense and the running game lead by Chris Johnson.

[Sparkey]

I completely disagree. That is crazy talk. The Packers run an extremely conservative passing game as opposed to the run and gun we ran last year.

All our passes are to the outside of the field to minimize risk.

Yup, I don't think I have ever seen them run a slant pattern....

[pbmax]

Partial, you do realize that throwing outs, and other outside the hashmark routes and throws are some of the most dangerous and difficult? Remember Hasselback's "We'll take the ball and we're going to win"? Or Deion taking Favre to the house after GB had put the Cowboy game out of reach in 1997?

While Rodgers was clearly more willing to accept the checkdown than Favre, his average per attempt is quite high, so he was also making downfield throws regularly. The early season imbalance between passing and running also indicates that McCarthy was not afraid to put Rodgers in a pass all the time mode.

The only two things missing in the Packer Mid Coast O were the TE and screens. Usually, when someone wants to criticize a passing game for being timid and conservative, those are the kind of throws they are talking about.

[cpk1994]

Partial, you do realize that throwing outs, and other outside the hashmark routes and throws are some of the most dangerous and difficult? Remember Hasselback's "We'll take the ball and we're going to win"? Or Deion taking Favre to the house after GB had put the Cowboy game out of reach in 1997?

While Rodgers was clearly more willing to accept the checkdown than Favre, his average per attempt is quite high, so he was also making downfield throws regularly. The early season imbalance between passing and running also indicates that McCarthy was not afraid to put Rodgers in a pass all the time mode.

The only two things missing in the Packer Mid Coast O were the TE and screens. Usually, when someone wants to criticize a passing game for being timid and conservative, those are the kind of throws they are talking about.

Not to nitpick but the Dieon pick-6 gave the Cowboys a 10-7 lead in the 2 quarter.

[pbmax]

Partial, you do realize that throwing outs, and other outside the hashmark routes and throws are some of the most dangerous and difficult? Remember Hasselback's "We'll take the ball and we're going to win"? Or Deion taking Favre to the house after GB had put the Cowboy game out of reach in 1997?

While Rodgers was clearly more willing to accept the checkdown than Favre, his average per attempt is quite high, so he was also making downfield throws regularly. The early season imbalance between passing and running also indicates that McCarthy was not afraid to put Rodgers in a pass all the time mode.

The only two things missing in the Packer Mid Coast O were the TE and screens. Usually, when someone wants to criticize a passing game for being timid and conservative, those are the kind of throws they are talking about.

Not to nitpick but the Dieon pick-6 gave the Cowboys a 10-7 lead in the 2 quarter.

Pick away, mistakes in facts are fair game!