NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[gbgary]

I completely disagree. That is crazy talk. The Packers run an extremely conservative passing game as opposed to the run and gun we ran last year.

All our passes are to the outside of the field to minimize risk.

Yup, I don't think I have ever seen them run a slant pattern....

they ran far fewer this year than in the last several. even completed a few toward the end of the season.

[bobblehead]

What has Hasselbeck won??? If you have a QB dependent system, and the QB isn't a HOF'er... then you have nothing, and must keep looking.

Does anyone expect Seattle to win a SB any time soon??? Isn't that the point??? Winning the SB???

If Rodgers can't win it all, then we're wasting our time. And lest anyone be confused... it is Rodgers who has to win a SB, not anyone else on that team... if he's incapable, then we're sunk before we ever get started.

Easy tiger, I like to say the QB is the most important guy on the field, but Rodgers is certainly capable of winning a superbowl with a good team around him.

Some might argue the only reason Hasselback hasn't won a superbowl is bad officiating.

As far as winning a superbowl soon...probably not next year, our defense will be running a new system, but I do think Rodgers will put up enough time of possession, points and yards to justify winning a superbowl. Right now we got McNabb, Warner, Flacco, and Big Ben in the hunt...what 3 out of 4 have in common?? A dominating Defense. Until you give Rodgers at least a competent defense I refuse to listen to how he "isn't capable"

And lest you be confused...its not the QB of those 4 that are leading their team to a superbowl...except maybe the guy no one expected to be this far (except me...MVP prediction)

[Guiness]

A comment on the love of YAC. Here is a list of the QB leaders in YAC (as a percentage of their total Passing Yards) for the past three seasons:

I see what you're saying there...but you can't ignore that Favre has been on that list consistently. He must be doing something that causes that.

[Noodle]

I completely disagree. That is crazy talk. The Packers run an extremely conservative passing game as opposed to the run and gun we ran last year.

All our passes are to the outside of the field to minimize risk.

I'm with PB. The hardest throw in football is the deep out. You need big time arm strength to gun that rascal out there on a line. If it floats, it's going back the other way.

There is nothing conservative about throwing outs and corner/flag routes. If anything, quick slants and dumping the ball to the TE over the middle are the most conserative throws you can make.

The ball in the middle is high risk only when it's late. But that's a risk caused by bad qb mental play and not by the characteristics or difficulties of the middle throw.

[bobblehead]

I completely disagree. That is crazy talk. The Packers run an extremely conservative passing game as opposed to the run and gun we ran last year.

All our passes are to the outside of the field to minimize risk.

Yup, I don't think I have ever seen them run a slant pattern....

they ran far fewer this year than in the last several. even completed a few toward the end of the season.

Are you sure they ran far fewer, or did defenses take it away much more forcing us to pass to the outside?? We completed fewer, but we had already tailed off considerably last season around week 11...thus the emergence of Donald Lee deeper down the middle.

I'm only guessing, but I think we probably ran about the same number, we just got forced into making other throws by a defense who was ready for it....that and the officials refusal to call PI on the D when they would mug driver on the route.

[Cleft Crusty]

If you want to find out why YAC is more attributable to the Wide Receiver, the Route, the opposing Defense and random fluctuation than the skill of the QB Click Here and Then Click Here.

"Digging a little deeper, I ran a couple very simple regressions. I estimated Passing Yards per Completion using Air Yds/Completion and then using YAC/Completion. (I couldn't run a single regression using both components because multivariate regression doesn't work when the predictor variables comprise the entirety of the dependent variable)."


Cleft Crusty needs a drink or ten after reading that. Is that football or someone's graduate thesis from the Math Department. What the hell happened to blocking and tackling?

[bobblehead]

If you want to find out why YAC is more attributable to the Wide Receiver, the Route, the opposing Defense and random fluctuation than the skill of the QB Click Here and Then Click Here.

"Digging a little deeper, I ran a couple very simple regressions. I estimated Passing Yards per Completion using Air Yds/Completion and then using YAC/Completion. (I couldn't run a single regression using both components because multivariate regression doesn't work when the predictor variables comprise the entirety of the dependent variable)."


Cleft Crusty needs a drink or ten after reading that. Is that football or someone's graduate thesis from the Math Department. What the hell happened to blocking and tackling?

I'm pretty sure that is the guy who did a study and concluded a team shouldn't carry a punter, but instead always go for it on 4th down.

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[SkinBasket]

Why not just stick yourself in the eye with a fork?

[pbmax]

I'm pretty sure that is the guy who did a study and concluded a team shouldn't carry a punter, but instead always go for it on 4th down.

I don't know if it was the same guy, but someone did do, and others have done similar, studies. In terms of raw numbers, it is better to always go for it on 4th down. You have more possessions (and most importantly) score more points on those possessions than the opponent. Unless they are doing the same thing, they do not receive the same value as your team does, although there is obviously an increase in the opponents possessions.

From a game management or game theory standpoint, there are times punting makes MUCH more sense than other options. In a run of the mill close game not at the end of the half or game however, going for it more frequently on 4th down has tremendous advantages in scoring and keeping possession. Basically, teams are not maximizing their fourth down opportunities.

[sheepshead]

you should get banned just for bumping this.

[Lurker64]

Vince Young sucks as an NFL quarterback.

[pbmax]

Vince Young sucks as an NFL quarterback.

What are you talking about? He's going to the Hall of Fame! He told me himself.

As an aside, Partial does have the germ of an idea. The Packers did leave points on the board and Rodgers did clearly have room for improvement. What gets lost in elevating Vince Young and others is that it is entirely logical to assume Rodgers gets much better (after one preseason game I think his feet and movement in the pocket look much more assured-yes, its only one game against a terrible team).

And I truly think the offensive line will become a strength of the team this year, barring injuries. Unlike Football Outsiders, I think the offense is on its way up.

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Vince Young sucks as an NFL quarterback.

Did you watch the preseason game the other night? He looked pretty damn driven and spectacular.

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And I truly think the offensive line will become a strength of the team this year, barring injuries. Unlike Football Outsiders, I think the offense is on its way up.

Agreed on both accounts. Rodgers looked a lot more comfortable in the pocket than I saw all of last year. The O-line looks like it will be pretty darn good as well. I think they're going to be a much more balanced team play calling wise this year. This offense should be top 5 easily.