National Championship QBs

[sheepshead]

Bigguns, You know you can go off on minutia and so far off topic you need a GPS device to get back. Why do you have to be such a dick and try to enforce some fucked up protocol that you nor anyone else can here could possibly live up to? what a jag bag.

[Charles Woodson]

IMO Bradford is the best draft eligible qb. Great size with an accurate arm. Plays in a pro style offense. Warrants the #1 overall pic due to the need for a qb and 09 not being the best year for qbs. Not a Matt Ryan but eventually will be good.

Tebow is not a franchise qb. Project as a h-back and back up qb. IMO the Dolphins should select in round 2. Except for the Dolphins Tebow is probably a round 3 selection.

eh, the lions would be stupid to take a QB here... can anyone say joey harrington the second?

secondly i think Tebow has said hes staying

[LEWCWA]

Come on Rodgers bashers, which one do we take???

Its statements like this that start bitch fights and you are getting bad about it again lately. Enough.

No actually absurdity helps to illustrate a point. We are not entitled to make a point any longer?

Let's rephrase the question then: "For those that don't like Rodgers as the Packers starting QB, which one should TT take?"

Who around here wasn't fairly impressed with the way Rodgers played this season?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bigguns, You know you can go off on minutia and so far off topic you need a GPS device to get back. Why do you have to be such a dick and try to enforce some fucked up protocol that you nor anyone else can here could possibly live up to? what a jag bag.

Who is enforcing anything.

Let's recap.

1. you are trolling
2. you are off topic
3. you are factually wrong (tebow nor bradford has at this time entered the draft)

Buh bye.

[Lurker64]

Tebow's not coming out. I wonder what grade he got from the advisory board. I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere around "3rd".

[Pugger]

Well, we don't have to speculate about Tebow for another year. He announced he was returning to UF for his senior season.

[Packgator]

Tebow's not coming out. I wonder what grade he got from the advisory board. I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere around "3rd".

I heard he was told anywhere from late 1st to mid 3rd.

[Lurker64]

Tebow's not coming out. I wonder what grade he got from the advisory board. I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere around "3rd".

I heard he was told anywhere from late 1st to mid 3rd.

That sounds about right. Some team will take him in the first if they don't have a real need where there's value at that point in the draft (so nobody at the top) if they have a mad scientist offensive coordinator who is excited about schemes with a TE/H-Back/WR/RB/FB/QB combination that can do about 84 different things on one play, but probably shouldn't touch the ball on every play lest he get killed.

But if nobody fits that description, I don't see anybody drafting him on talent alone even though they're not really sure what to do with the guy until the about the third round.

[Zool]

Tebow's not coming out. I wonder what grade he got from the advisory board. I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere around "3rd".

I heard he was told anywhere from late 1st to mid 3rd.

That sounds about right. Some team will take him in the first if they don't have a real need where there's value at that point in the draft (so nobody at the top) if they have a mad scientist offensive coordinator who is excited about schemes with a TE/H-Back/WR/RB/FB/QB combination that can do about 84 different things on one play, but probably shouldn't touch the ball on every play lest he get killed.

But if nobody fits that description, I don't see anybody drafting him on talent alone even though they're not really sure what to do with the guy until the about the third round.

Its hard to say what will happen when a guy makes the jump (in this case in '10) but he just doesnt look like a QB or throw like a QB. He's a monster though and big enough to be a LB/FB.

In my completely uneducated opinion, he wont do much in the NFL at QB but if he accepts a gimmick role he'll do well. Has Bradford declared? I missed it if he did.

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Tebow won't come out but some of you guys suggest he'd be a mid rounder... I have a hard time (personally / armchair GM) passing on him through the first three rounds if I have *any* need at 2nd-3rd string QB ... I definitely see him as a TE, but that's the easy thing to say ...

What's the difference between Tebow and Vince Young besides, seemingly, a lot more stability and leadership? He's the kind of guy that I could see surprising a lot of people and being a decent NFL quarterback (totally against my gut).

[Lurker64]

What's the difference between Tebow and Vince Young besides, seemingly, a lot more stability and leadership? He's the kind of guy that I could see surprising a lot of people and being a decent NFL quarterback (totally against my gut).

The argument that Tebow is just as good as Vince Young would hold more water if Vince Young weren't such a colossal failure. I think that with the gift of hindsight, Vince Young would not be drafted in the first round, and this may (unfairly) hurt Tebow's draft status.

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What's the difference between Tebow and Vince Young besides, seemingly, a lot more stability and leadership? He's the kind of guy that I could see surprising a lot of people and being a decent NFL quarterback (totally against my gut).

The argument that Tebow is just as good as Vince Young would hold more water if Vince Young weren't such a colossal failure. I think that with the gift of hindsight, Vince Young would not be drafted in the first round, and this may (unfairly) hurt Tebow's draft status.

I don't know. Physical talent can't necessarily be attributed to Young's failure. The very things that led to Young's demise are where Tebow measures off the chart. I'm not saying he's going to be GOD in the NFL (or hell, even a QB at all), but I can't help but wonder about him and his (ready for it?) "IT" factor.

I have a hard time putting him in the Scott Frost / Antwaan Randel El school of good college quarterbacks who have no business trying to take that position to the next level.

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What's the difference between Tebow and Vince Young besides, seemingly, a lot more stability and leadership? He's the kind of guy that I could see surprising a lot of people and being a decent NFL quarterback (totally against my gut).

The argument that Tebow is just as good as Vince Young would hold more water if Vince Young weren't such a colossal failure. I think that with the gift of hindsight, Vince Young would not be drafted in the first round, and this may (unfairly) hurt Tebow's draft status.

What are you talking about? How is he a colossal failure? Sometimes I wonder how some of you make it through the day..

He's taken a team to the playoffs, won rookie of the year, etc. By those measurements, if he's a colossal failure, I don't even want to know what Aaron Rodgers would be.

[Lurker64]

What are you talking about? How is he a colossal failure? Sometimes I wonder how some of you make it through the day..

He's taken a team to the playoffs, won rookie of the year, etc. By those measurements, if he's a colossal failure, I don't even want to know what Aaron Rodgers would be.

I think based on what a "washed up" veteran in Kerry Collins accomplished with essentially the same team this year, we can conclude that any accolades Young got for leading that team were undeserved. Tennessee lives and dies on their defense and their running game. Young has had precisely dick to do with their success. Remember, this is a team that with almost no production whatsoever from the 3rd overall pick of the 2006 draft, managed to win home field advantage. I would say that it's absolutely fair at this point to call Young a bust.

I think what may hurt Tebow is that yes, Tebow is off the charts in the way that Young is most defiicient (Young's a quitter, Tebow's a consummate competitor), Young just wasn't getting it done "as a quarterback." So Tebow probably just won't get the chance to be seriously considered as a starting QB in the NFL.

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What are you talking about? How is he a colossal failure? Sometimes I wonder how some of you make it through the day..

He's taken a team to the playoffs, won rookie of the year, etc. By those measurements, if he's a colossal failure, I don't even want to know what Aaron Rodgers would be.

I think based on what a "washed up" veteran in Kerry Collins accomplished with essentially the same team this year, we can conclude that any accolades Young got for leading that team were undeserved. Tennessee lives and dies on their defense and their running game. Young has had precisely dick to do with their success.

Tenn is like the Packer team of last year. They were retooling for a few years, and are finally strong enough to be back in business. We'll see how they do next year with VY at QB. I'm predicting SUPERBOWL.

I think it's funny that everyone takes credit away from a proven winner like Young. Why has he had nothing to do with their successs? Did he not carry them to 3-4 come from behind wins in his rookie year (something our 4th year veteran QB has shown incapable of doing but some of you thinkh he is the second coming)?? My fucking god...

ROFL. rookie of the year, playoffs, elite athleticism 3 come from behind wins his rookie year, national championship, throwing to crap receivers,... at the most important position, yet he doesn't get any credit...

Are you seriously insinuating someone who has 3 comeback victories, possibly more, as a rookie, won rookie of the year, took a team to the playoffs in his second year all while having HORRENDOUS receivers wouldn't be picked in the first round? Are you kidding me? ROFL ROFL ROFL.

Knowing what we know about Young now and his success in the NFL, pending a psych evaluation (which I'm sure he's fine and itching to get back to playing) he is the unquestioned #1 pick in this draft.

6-10, 0 come from behind wins in his 4 year career, average athleticism, throwing the ball to two borderline all-pro receivers... at the most important position, yet he is the second coming.

Any credit that Aaron gets has to be given to VY. Except VY has far more personal achievements and success' to his name. Some of you guys are looney tunes. You value pointless stats (Chad Pennington syndrome) instead of WINS, COME BACKS, PLAYOFF TRIPS, etc.

Young hasn't had great success throwing the ball yet, I'll give you, but he has been in the league HALF the time of Aaron. He also started and took a team to the playoffs as a ROOKIE. LURKER, do you remember how unbelieveably AWFUL A-Rod looked as a rookie? Do you? Or are you choosing to ignore another extremely relevant fact. What about his second year, where he still looked awful in camp? Remember when Vince Young carried a team to the playoffs using his athleticism? Or are you choosing to ignore another extremely relevant fact.

This is the kind of crap that pisses me off. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Tim Tebow isn't nearly as athletic as Young. He doesn't have as strong of an arm. He doesn't have as accurate of an arm (neither is very accurate yet). I do like Tebow's physique. We'll see. He has shown that he is a heck of a leader, but I just don't see the raw skills to be an NFL QB.