National Championship QBs

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You give credit to winners. If Vince Young wins (all he has ever done), thats all that matters. If he continues playing like he has and leading teams to wins like he has, he'll be one of the all-time greats.

You might want to check out some career Vince numbers. QB's that throw 9TD's and 17INT's in a season are NOT the reason their team won. Good lord he won ROTY on that one run in the 4th quarter. The guy had a 51.5 completion % in his rookie year. If he couldn't run the way he does he would be Joey Harrington.

All time greats? That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read here in a long time.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounVi00.htm

Shit Vick can run like the fucking wind. Maybe he should be an all-time great too.

No Zool, he won ROTY on a phenominal first season. Guy should have been a senior in college. Remember how awful Aaron was his rookie year and his second year? My god.. He wouldn't have come any where near Young's numbers. They would have been far worse.

Young is a difference maker. He has consistently made plays to win games. Has Aaron Rodgers made a single play to win a game? How many come back WINS does he have? Isn't his final 2 min quarterback rating in the 40s?

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They won in spite of him (for the most part). Look at his stats. Just because he made a couple plays late in the game WITH HIS FEET does not make him a good QB. His numbers were horrible.

Who cares how he wins game? He wins games with his feet, eyes, ears, toes, mouth, and knee caps. Same way that losing quarterbacks lose games. Who cares how his stats are when he's putting up Ws. A ugly W is better than a pretty L, no?

By your own account, Young will not be ready to play for 2-3 years. This was his third year and had some mental problems. I'm sure by next year he is a perennial pro bowler.

[Bossman641]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=506584

Pressure's on Vince Young to keep his job
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Posted: January 13, 2009
Sporting News staff reports


Vince Young hasn't seemed to connect with his teammates all season after being benched in favor of Kerry Collins in Week 1. Next season may be his last chance to get things right with the Titans, and the team could even try to move him in the offseason, according to reports.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King wrote early in the season that Young was rebuffing Collins' attempts to mentor him and teach him how to bounce back from adversity. King wrote after interviewing Titans players last Thursday that, "from what I saw this week, Young's still not willing to listen." Young didn't loosen up with teammates before the Titans-Ravens game, wasn't available to talk in the locker room during practices leading up to game day, and sat alone on the bench during the game.

On Monday, Collins said he wants to start again for the Titans next year, and reports like King's suggest the team might be better off going with the 36-year-old Collins rather than their No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. (Young went No. 3 overall.)

The Titans say they intend to re-sign not only Collins but also No. 3 quarterback Chris Simms for 2009.

Young has three years left on his contract and is scheduled to make $2.16 million in 2009 with a total salary cap number of $4.6 million. That salary increases to $7.5 million in 2010 ($14.2 million against the cap) and $8.5 million in 2011. If the team were to cut Young in 2009, he would count $7.74 million against their cap immediately because of bonuses that would come due, according to Sports Illustrated. King writes that might be a bargain compared with keeping Young into 2010.

Coach Jeff Fisher put the burden squarely on Young. He told The Tennessean on Monday, "We expect a 100 percent commitment from Vince. We'll accept nothing less than that. This is about Vince Young, and this is about spending the time here and about committing himself to the offseason program and just doing the best he can to make himself a better football player."

So not only is VY a mediocre quarterback, he may be a malcontent as well. After a full season of being benched he still has a sense of entitlement and doesn't seem willing to put in the work necessary. Compare that to Rodgers, who has been nothing but a model teammate and seems willing to do anything possible to make himself and his team better. Like I said before Partial, you can keep Young.

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Vince Young took a team coming off a #3 pick in the draft and carried them to an 8-5 record in his starts as a Rookie.

I wouldn't want any part of my teammates or Kerry Collins either when my coach doesn't let me play for the team that I went through the growing pains with and developed alongside. Winners want to play. Phillip Rivers was a malcontent when he didn't get to play...

Aaron Rodgers, taking over the reigns of the 2nd best team in the league from a year ago, carried his team to a stellar 6-10 record.

How can you ignore the talent that Young has? Kid is a winner. He has won 60% of his NFL starts. How many people can say that??? Especially in there first two years. How many QBs have done that as rookies and second year players?!? That is phenomenal, especially when you consider how recently they were picking third in the draft...

ignoring obvious "man versus boys" athleticism is just crazy. He isn't the complete quarterback yet but he still wins more games, and makes more plays than a good amount of the QBs. There are maybe 10 guys I'd take over him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlFLPd2EOA

[Bossman641]

I wouldn't want any part of my teammates or Kerry Collins either when my coach doesn't let me play for the team that I went through the growing pains with and developed alongside. Winners want to play. Phillip Rivers was a malcontent when he didn't get to play...

Do you choose to ignore facts? You must be forgetting that Vince quit on the Titans. He wasn't benched, Fischer didn't refuse to give him a chance to play. He quit. He told Fischer he didn't want back in the opening game of the year, then he went missing. Vince didn't want to play PERIOD. This is not the first time this has happened either. After his "spectacular Rookie of the Year" season there were also rumors of him quitting football.

Answer this question seriously Partial. Let's say Rodgers, in his 2nd or 3rd year, had essentially said "fuck Favre I'm better than him and I should be the one out there playing." Would you have respected him more for that? After all, winners want to play, right?

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You get that he was seriously injured for a good amount of the season, right? He had a bad game and didn't want to go back in because he was having an off-day and wanted his team to win. He eventually concluded the ball was best in his hands and went back in. Then, he hurt himself seriously and lost the starting spot for a few weeks. Using the metaphor of the playoff beard, you don't stop doing something that is working, thus, they stuck with Collins.

Yeah, I would have respected him. Why wouldn't I? Would you want to sit on the sideline? Winners want the ball in their hand.

[Bossman641]

You get that he was seriously injured for a good amount of the season, right? He had a bad game and didn't want to go back in because he was having an off-day and wanted his team to win. He eventually concluded the ball was best in his hands and went back in. Then, he hurt himself seriously and lost the starting spot for a few weeks. Using the metaphor of the playoff beard, you don't stop doing something that is working, thus, they stuck with Collins.

Yeah, I would have respected him. Why wouldn't I? Would you want to sit on the sideline? Winners want the ball in their hand.

If you believe all that then good luck.

One other thing though.

Grossman's career record as a starter is 19-12. A 61% winning percentage!! Holy shit, this guy must be awesome.

[SkinBasket]

trolling efforts? How quick you are to write off someone who has done nothing but won. Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady weren't the best passers in the league when they first entered, either. And they had better receivers!

Some of this stuff is laughable. You'd think Young was the worst QB from the comments in here. "Win in spite of". ROFL.

Either you're trolling or being a complete fucking retard. Take your pick. It don't bother none.

Readin' my paper in Ray's cafe
The ol' guy next to me is loud as day
Rambled and rambled while eatin' his pie
He dropped his wallet, now it's mine uh huh

Sorry old man but that's jus' the way that it is
Don't bother none
Won't help at all to worry 'bout it

Picked up the wallet and slipped out side
Walked around and walked around and walked around town
I found my nerve and a good place to hide
Only to find no cash inside uh-huh

Oh well I guess that's just the way that it is
Don't bother none
Won't help at all to worry 'bout it

I got thirsty so I went to a bar
Met a lil darlin' with the face of a star
In the mornin' woke up to find
She stole my car along with my heart uh-huh

Oh well I guess that's jus' the way that it is
Don't bother none
Won't help at all to worry 'bout it

Wish she'd give me back my heart uh-huh

Oh, well I guess that's jus' the way that it is
Don't bother none
Won't help at all to worry 'bout it

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Grossman's career record as a starter is 19-12. A 61% winning percentage!! Holy shit, this guy must be awesome.

Don't forget that Brian St Peirre is an elite QB because he also sits on the bench of a winning team.

[cpk1994]

trolling efforts? How quick you are to write off someone who has done nothing but won. Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady weren't the best passers in the league when they first entered, either. And they had better receivers!

Some of this stuff is laughable. You'd think Young was the worst QB from the comments in here. "Win in spite of". ROFL.

Either you're trolling or being a complete fucking retard. Take your pick. It don't bother none.

Actually hes both.

[Zool]

Grossman's career record as a starter is 19-12. A 61% winning percentage!! Holy shit, this guy must be awesome.

Don't forget that Brian St Peirre is an elite QB because he also sits on the bench of a winning team.

Troy Smith was another elite college QB who's holding down a bench for a team in the AFC CG. He's just carrying that team.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Here's what happened "behind the curtain" of Young's 8-4 rookie record from NFL.com. I put the VY impact on the wins as far as his performance goes.

Week 6 - First game starting. Behind a 178 yd performance by Travis Henry, the Titans take the lead with 5:11 left on a FG. The Titans defense forces a 3 and out and then an INT on the next opponents possessions. Young goes 13/25 161yds 1 TD. (1-0)
VY IMPACT: MINIMAL This was the Travis Henry show and the defense closed the door.

Week 7 - Bye

Week 8 - The Texans turn the ball over 5 times with one fumble returned for a TD by TN. TN wins the game despite only having 197 total yards. (2-0)
VY IMPACT: NONE Texas melts down.

Week 9 - Blowout loss to Jax. Young goes 15-36 163 yds 1 TD, 3 INT (2-1)

Week 10 - TN blows a 26-7 lead in the 2nd Q and loses to Balt and manages 88 yds of total offense in the 2nd half (2-2)

Week 11 - TN beats Philly in a game where McNabb is hurt early in the 2nd Q 31-13. Young is 8-22 for 101 yds 1 TD, rushes for 49 yds. The game was 10-6 TN at half, the 2nd half scoring for TN was a 70 yd TD run by Travis Henry, a 90 yd punt return by PacMan and a 16 yd fumble return by Bulluck. (3-2)
VY IMPACT: NONE Defense won this game as they took advantage of a backup QB

Week 12 - The famous comeback win against the Giants. Helped by 2 INTs by PacMan in the 4th Q including the one that set up the game winning FG, Young does lead the team to 4 scoring drives in the 4th and has his famous missed tackle play. (4-3)
VY IMPACT: BIG While PacMan should get a good amount of credit as well, Young clearly made the most of the opportunity.

Week 13 - A 60 yard FG by Bironas with 7 seconds left wins the game. Young has a solid game with 15/25 163 yds 2 TD 2 INT and 78 yds rushing. (5-3)
VY IMPACT: AVERAGE If your kicker makes a 60 yarder to win it, thank your lucky stars you have a great kicker who had the wind at his back.

Week 14 - TN gets the ball first in OT and Young runs 39 yards for the game winner against Houston. Finishes the day 19/29 218 yds 1 INT. Rushes for 86 yds. (6-3)
VY IMPACT: BIG You run the game winner in from that far out you get the gameball.

Week 15 - TN beats Jax 24-17. Young goes 8/15 for 85 yds. TN has 3 defensive TDs. The lone FG the offense scored was due to a big kickoff return by PacMan to the Jax 14 yd line. (7-3)
VY IMPACT: NONE Defense, defense, defense.

Week 16 - 30-29 win over Buffalo. Young goes 13/20 183yds 2 TDs and rushes for 61 yds and a TD. Henry rushes for 135 yds for TN including the majority of the yards on the FG drive to put the Titans ahead. Buffalo drove to the TN 28 yd line with 57 seconds left but an INT by TN ends the game. (8-3)
VY IMPACT: SOLID TN had a good offensive game, but a late stop by the defense saved the win. Buffalo could have easily won this one late.

Week 17 - Loss to NE 40-23. Young goes 15/36 227 yds and 2 INTs. He does have a 28 yd TD run. Fumbles once. (8-4)

So I count 3 games where Young had a noticable role in the win. The other 5 were wins he really didn't have much of a role and the games were won by the defense, the RBs or special teams. In the 4 losses, he was real bad.

He clearly had his moments, but I don't see a stretch of games at all where he carried the team. The closest ones would be weeks 12-14 but he had a lot of timely help from his defense and an insane FG. He played good, but did not carry the team in a dominating type fashion that is generally associated with the term.

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Wow Partial - some good posts you have in other threads are totally offset by this overzealous defense of VY - who may one day become a player, but at this point is a crapshoot at best.
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[Bossman641]

Here's what happened "behind the curtain" of Young's 8-4 rookie record from NFL.com. I put the VY impact on the wins as far as his performance goes.

Week 6 - First game starting. Behind a 178 yd performance by Travis Henry, the Titans take the lead with 5:11 left on a FG. The Titans defense forces a 3 and out and then an INT on the next opponents possessions. Young goes 13/25 161yds 1 TD. (1-0)
VY IMPACT: MINIMAL This was the Travis Henry show and the defense closed the door.

Week 7 - Bye

Week 8 - The Texans turn the ball over 5 times with one fumble returned for a TD by TN. TN wins the game despite only having 197 total yards. (2-0)
VY IMPACT: NONE Texas melts down.

Week 9 - Blowout loss to Jax. Young goes 15-36 163 yds 1 TD, 3 INT (2-1)

Week 10 - TN blows a 26-7 lead in the 2nd Q and loses to Balt and manages 88 yds of total offense in the 2nd half (2-2)

Week 11 - TN beats Philly in a game where McNabb is hurt early in the 2nd Q 31-13. Young is 8-22 for 101 yds 1 TD, rushes for 49 yds. The game was 10-6 TN at half, the 2nd half scoring for TN was a 70 yd TD run by Travis Henry, a 90 yd punt return by PacMan and a 16 yd fumble return by Bulluck. (3-2)
VY IMPACT: NONE Defense won this game as they took advantage of a backup QB

Week 12 - The famous comeback win against the Giants. Helped by 2 INTs by PacMan in the 4th Q including the one that set up the game winning FG, Young does lead the team to 4 scoring drives in the 4th and has his famous missed tackle play. (4-3)
VY IMPACT: BIG While PacMan should get a good amount of credit as well, Young clearly made the most of the opportunity.

Week 13 - A 60 yard FG by Bironas with 7 seconds left wins the game. Young has a solid game with 15/25 163 yds 2 TD 2 INT and 78 yds rushing. (5-3)
VY IMPACT: AVERAGE If your kicker makes a 60 yarder to win it, thank your lucky stars you have a great kicker who had the wind at his back.

Week 14 - TN gets the ball first in OT and Young runs 39 yards for the game winner against Houston. Finishes the day 19/29 218 yds 1 INT. Rushes for 86 yds. (6-3)
VY IMPACT: BIG You run the game winner in from that far out you get the gameball.

Week 15 - TN beats Jax 24-17. Young goes 8/15 for 85 yds. TN has 3 defensive TDs. The lone FG the offense scored was due to a big kickoff return by PacMan to the Jax 14 yd line. (7-3)
VY IMPACT: NONE Defense, defense, defense.

Week 16 - 30-29 win over Buffalo. Young goes 13/20 183yds 2 TDs and rushes for 61 yds and a TD. Henry rushes for 135 yds for TN including the majority of the yards on the FG drive to put the Titans ahead. Buffalo drove to the TN 28 yd line with 57 seconds left but an INT by TN ends the game. (8-3)
VY IMPACT: SOLID TN had a good offensive game, but a late stop by the defense saved the win. Buffalo could have easily won this one late.

Week 17 - Loss to NE 40-23. Young goes 15/36 227 yds and 2 INTs. He does have a 28 yd TD run. Fumbles once. (8-4)

So I count 3 games where Young had a noticable role in the win. The other 5 were wins he really didn't have much of a role and the games were won by the defense, the RBs or special teams. In the 4 losses, he was real bad.

He clearly had his moments, but I don't see a stretch of games at all where he carried the team. The closest ones would be weeks 12-14 but he had a lot of timely help from his defense and an insane FG. He played good, but did not carry the team in a dominating type fashion that is generally associated with the term.

Nicely done

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Wow, you guys are ridiculous. Let's go through game by game for Aaron Rodgers.

Troll? Hardly. NFL executives, sports writers, fans and other players agrees agree with me. Otherwise Young wouldn't have a pro bowl appearance or a ROTY award to his name. I'm guessing that he didn't deserve that one either...

3 come from behind wins as a rookie. Something our veteran team cannot seem to get done. On the arm and legs of a star, something we don't have. Doesn't get any credit for these either! Nope. Playmakers carrying a team on their back and doing what it takes to win games in "the best division in football" as a rookie don't get any credit.

Yet our grizzled veteran in his 4th year (who looked like hell his first two years, btw), gets immense credit for leading an extremely talented team (far more talented than VYs teams) to a 6-10 record. Explain that logic? There isn't any. It's called blatant homerism and "don't know anything about football"ism.

pro bowls.... playoffs... prestigious awards... 61% winning percentage voted on by their peers and coaches... We don't appreciate any of that! We waved goodbye to that last summer! Instead, we appreciate and even defend to the death underachievement, losing records, 37% winning percetange, relaxing in january instead of cheering on our team, etc.

Some of you are jokes.