National Championship QBs

[mission]

All that's great and all, Partial, but A-Rod, Tebow and lots of other people haven't been running around AWOL with guns in their car, depressed and suicidal, and contemplating retirement lately. The QB position is much more than talent ...

Word on the street is Fischer wants KC as his starter next year and fully expects it to be necessary regardless.

[Bossman641]

What are you talking about? How is he a colossal failure? Sometimes I wonder how some of you make it through the day..

He's taken a team to the playoffs, won rookie of the year, etc. By those measurements, if he's a colossal failure, I don't even want to know what Aaron Rodgers would be.

I think based on what a "washed up" veteran in Kerry Collins accomplished with essentially the same team this year, we can conclude that any accolades Young got for leading that team were undeserved. Tennessee lives and dies on their defense and their running game. Young has had precisely dick to do with their success.

Tenn is like the Packer team of last year. They were retooling for a few years, and are finally strong enough to be back in business. We'll see how they do next year with VY at QB. I'm predicting SUPERBOWL.

I think it's funny that everyone takes credit away from a proven winner like Young. Why has he had nothing to do with their successs? Did he not carry them to 3-4 come from behind wins in his rookie year (something our 4th year veteran QB has shown incapable of doing but some of you thinkh he is the second coming)?? My fucking god...

ROFL. rookie of the year, playoffs, elite athleticism 3 come from behind wins his rookie year, national championship, throwing to crap receivers,... at the most important position, yet he doesn't get any credit...

Are you seriously insinuating someone who has 3 comeback victories, possibly more, as a rookie, won rookie of the year, took a team to the playoffs in his second year all while having HORRENDOUS receivers wouldn't be picked in the first round? Are you kidding me? ROFL ROFL ROFL.

Knowing what we know about Young now and his success in the NFL, pending a psych evaluation (which I'm sure he's fine and itching to get back to playing) he is the unquestioned #1 pick in this draft.

6-10, 0 come from behind wins in his 4 year career, average athleticism, throwing the ball to two borderline all-pro receivers... at the most important position, yet he is the second coming.

Any credit that Aaron gets has to be given to VY. Except VY has far more personal achievements and success' to his name. Some of you guys are looney tunes. You value pointless stats (Chad Pennington syndrome) instead of WINS, COME BACKS, PLAYOFF TRIPS, etc.

Young hasn't had great success throwing the ball yet, I'll give you, but he has been in the league HALF the time of Aaron. He also started and took a team to the playoffs as a ROOKIE. LURKER, do you remember how unbelieveably AWFUL A-Rod looked as a rookie? Do you? Or are you choosing to ignore another extremely relevant fact. What about his second year, where he still looked awful in camp? Remember when Vince Young carried a team to the playoffs using his athleticism? Or are you choosing to ignore another extremely relevant fact.

This is the kind of crap that pisses me off. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Tim Tebow isn't nearly as athletic as Young. He doesn't have as strong of an arm. He doesn't have as accurate of an arm (neither is very accurate yet). I do like Tebow's physique. We'll see. He has shown that he is a heck of a leader, but I just don't see the raw skills to be an NFL QB.

I think I've figured you out Partial. You are willing to completely overlook the first 55 minutes of the game for a QB as long as they get it done in the last 5 minutes. On the defensive side of the ball, you are willing to completely forgive the final 10 minutes of the game as long as the defense played well the first 50 minutes.

That's the only way I can figure out how you give VY so much credit, and the Packer defense so little blame.

[Badgerinmaine]

The top schools always get all the hype about their QB's and their RB's but truly, the best players are found in the smaller schools. Where did Matt Ryan come from, Boston College. Yes it's a big school and he had scouts all over him but he wasn't from USC or Oklahoma. Guys like Jamarcus Russel, Matt Leinart, etc get the hype but really aren't cut out for the pros. Another guy from a smaller school is Flacco. I think he was at Delaware.

Yup, Flacco was a Fightin' Blue Hen.
I'd agree that small school QBs can do just fine (Tony Romo, out of Eastern Illinois, would be an even better example than Flacco; also, Ben Roethlisberger came out of a mid-major, Miami of Ohio), but I don't know that they are necessarily better choices than big-time program QBs. Peyton Manning (yes, I know I like him more than most of you) played at Tennessee when they were one of the top teams in the country. Tom Brady came out of Michigan. Carson Palmer played at Southern Cal and was playing extremely well until his injury in the playoffs a few years ago. Matt Cassell was a backup there and played very well for the Patriots this year. As for Leinart, I think the jury is still out on him; he's not playing now because Kurt Warner came on like a house of fire, but it takes time to develop QBs and I think he could still have a fine career.

It is true, though, that Heisman Trophy winning QBs have not been, as a group, above-average NFL QBs (though a few like Roger Staubach have been major NFL stars). Starting with Staubach (1963), here is the list from the Heisman's website:

Roger Staubach, Navy
John Huarte, Notre Dame
Gary Beban, UCLA
Jim Plunkett, Stanford
Pat Sullivan, Auburn
Doug Flutie, Boston College
Vinny Testaverde, Miami of Florida
Andre Ware, Houston
Ty Detmer, Brigham Young
Gino Torretta, Miami of Florida
Danny Wuerffel, Florida
Chris Weinke, Florida St.
Eric Crouch, Nebraska
Carson Palmer, Southern Cal
Jason White, Oklahoma
Matt Leinart, Southern Cal
Troy Smith, The Ohio State University
Tim Tebow, Florida
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

[Partial]

I think I've figured you out Partial. You are willing to completely overlook the first 55 minutes of the game for a QB as long as they get it done in the last 5 minutes. On the defensive side of the ball, you are willing to completely forgive the final 10 minutes of the game as long as the defense played well the first 50 minutes.

That's the only way I can figure out how you give VY so much credit, and the Packer defense so little blame.

You give credit to winners. If Vince Young wins (all he has ever done), thats all that matters. If he continues playing like he has and leading teams to wins like he has, he'll be one of the all-time greats.

Defensively, if I hold a good offense to 20 points, my team did the job. The Packers aren't the Ravens and they know that. It's not their identity to hold another team under 17 points per game. Teams are going to score the more chances you give them. 3 and outs in the second half lead to a tired defense and more attempts. Even the most inept offense is going to score given enough chances.

[SkinBasket]

Where's the adulation for Trent Dilfer then?

[Zool]

You give credit to winners. If Vince Young wins (all he has ever done), thats all that matters. If he continues playing like he has and leading teams to wins like he has, he'll be one of the all-time greats.

You might want to check out some career Vince numbers. QB's that throw 9TD's and 17INT's in a season are NOT the reason their team won. Good lord he won ROTY on that one run in the 4th quarter. The guy had a 51.5 completion % in his rookie year. If he couldn't run the way he does he would be Joey Harrington.

All time greats? That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read here in a long time.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounVi00.htm

Shit Vick can run like the fucking wind. Maybe he should be an all-time great too.

[Bossman641]

I think I've figured you out Partial. You are willing to completely overlook the first 55 minutes of the game for a QB as long as they get it done in the last 5 minutes. On the defensive side of the ball, you are willing to completely forgive the final 10 minutes of the game as long as the defense played well the first 50 minutes.

That's the only way I can figure out how you give VY so much credit, and the Packer defense so little blame.

You give credit to winners. If Vince Young wins (all he has ever done), thats all that matters. If he continues playing like he has and leading teams to wins like he has, he'll be one of the all-time greats.

Defensively, if I hold a good offense to 20 points, my team did the job. The Packers aren't the Ravens and they know that. It's not their identity to hold another team under 17 points per game. Teams are going to score the more chances you give them. 3 and outs in the second half lead to a tired defense and more attempts. Even the most inept offense is going to score given enough chances.

They won in spite of him (for the most part). Look at his stats. Just because he made a couple plays late in the game WITH HIS FEET does not make him a good QB. His numbers were horrible.

I'll even concede that his WR's weren't good, but it doesn't even matter. VY on this year's Packer team would have sucked. You could have Rice and Moss lined up wide and it wouldn't matter when Young is sailing the ball 5 yards behind WR's and 5 yards over their heads.

[Partial]

I think I've figured you out Partial. You are willing to completely overlook the first 55 minutes of the game for a QB as long as they get it done in the last 5 minutes. On the defensive side of the ball, you are willing to completely forgive the final 10 minutes of the game as long as the defense played well the first 50 minutes.

That's the only way I can figure out how you give VY so much credit, and the Packer defense so little blame.

You give credit to winners. If Vince Young wins (all he has ever done), thats all that matters. If he continues playing like he has and leading teams to wins like he has, he'll be one of the all-time greats.

Defensively, if I hold a good offense to 20 points, my team did the job. The Packers aren't the Ravens and they know that. It's not their identity to hold another team under 17 points per game. Teams are going to score the more chances you give them. 3 and outs in the second half lead to a tired defense and more attempts. Even the most inept offense is going to score given enough chances.

They won in spite of him (for the most part). Look at his stats. Just because he made a couple plays late in the game WITH HIS FEET does not make him a good QB. His numbers were horrible.

I'll even concede that his WR's weren't good, but it doesn't even matter. VY on this year's Packer team would have sucked. You could have Rice and Moss lined up wide and it wouldn't matter when Young is sailing the ball 5 yards behind WR's and 5 yards over their heads.

And Rodgers numbers were ok, and the Packers lost with him. What does that tell you? This team is still playing with VY at QB. ROFL.

[Zool]

And Rodgers numbers were ok, and the Packers lost with him. What does that tell you? This team is still playing with VY at QB. ROFL.

That your argument skills are nil. The Titans lost there satchmo.

Vince Young 0/0 0yds 0td 0int 0ypa

QB rating of 0. I tell you what tho, that spot of his on the bench was well held down for the entire loss.

[SkinBasket]

This team is still playing with VY at QB. ROFL.

What the mother fuck? Time to tighten those Velcro shoes there genius.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's news to Partial that Kerry Collins has been quarterbacking the Titans this year? That's funny.

[Bossman641]

I think I've figured you out Partial. You are willing to completely overlook the first 55 minutes of the game for a QB as long as they get it done in the last 5 minutes. On the defensive side of the ball, you are willing to completely forgive the final 10 minutes of the game as long as the defense played well the first 50 minutes.

That's the only way I can figure out how you give VY so much credit, and the Packer defense so little blame.

You give credit to winners. If Vince Young wins (all he has ever done), thats all that matters. If he continues playing like he has and leading teams to wins like he has, he'll be one of the all-time greats.

Defensively, if I hold a good offense to 20 points, my team did the job. The Packers aren't the Ravens and they know that. It's not their identity to hold another team under 17 points per game. Teams are going to score the more chances you give them. 3 and outs in the second half lead to a tired defense and more attempts. Even the most inept offense is going to score given enough chances.

They won in spite of him (for the most part). Look at his stats. Just because he made a couple plays late in the game WITH HIS FEET does not make him a good QB. His numbers were horrible.

I'll even concede that his WR's weren't good, but it doesn't even matter. VY on this year's Packer team would have sucked. You could have Rice and Moss lined up wide and it wouldn't matter when Young is sailing the ball 5 yards behind WR's and 5 yards over their heads.

And Rodgers numbers were ok, and the Packers lost with him. What does that tell you? This team is still playing with VY at QB. ROFL.

You're telling me that if this year's Packer team had VY instead of Rodgers they would still be playing??? PLEASE explain how - would he play defense?

[Bossman641]

It's news to Partial that Kerry Collins has been quarterbacking the Titans this year? That's funny.

Easy boys. I think Partial was saying that if the Packers had Young instead of Rodgers they would still be playing.

Stupid, but not quite as stupid as Partial thinking Young QB'ed the Titans all year.

You may now continue with your ridiculing.

[SkinBasket]

Thanks for clearing that up Bossman. I think you may be right about just what flavor of stupid Partial was pushing today in his trolling efforts.

[Partial]

trolling efforts? How quick you are to write off someone who has done nothing but won. Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady weren't the best passers in the league when they first entered, either. And they had better receivers!

Some of this stuff is laughable. You'd think Young was the worst QB from the comments in here. "Win in spite of". ROFL.