"Retirement" all part of a plan?

[crosbiegrad]

I agree that Rodgers is definetely above average. Partial, you mentioned that you think Rodgers ranks around 14th in the league, who are those other 13 who are clearly better than Rodgers? I know I cant think of 13 other QB's I'd rather have right now.

[Fritz]

Since when is being the 33-36% better than average? 25-75 is average sir.

I think the misconception here is that most people seem to think the quarterbacks I consider as bad, they consider as average.

Like I said, there are 7-8 good quarterbacks, 14-16 average, 7-8 bad.

Well, what's "average" really depends on context. If you're betting dollar bills on coinflips your average winnings will be around $0. If you give a math test to a bunch of high school students the average might be about 75%. If you give a really hard test though, the average might be significantly lower.

In terms of NFL QBs though? It seems that you've mostly "already reached your conclusion" and are trying to come up with numbers to prove it. Let's look at some actual numbers here.

Of the 32 NFL QBs who averaged 14 passes/game (the NFL's standard for qualifying for statistical records) the average passing yardage was 3132.375 (median 3241.5) with a standard deviation of 872.2638201. Aaron Rodgers threw for 4,038 yards, which is more than one standard deviation from the mean, which gives us a reasonably high degree of confidence as to "not being average" (the average QBs would at least be within one standard deviation of the mean.)

For TD passes, the mean was 17.84 and the median was 15.5 with a standard deviation of 7.22. Again, Rodgers's 28 TD passes puts him more than one standard deviation away from the mean, which strongly points to "not average."

For QB rating, the mean was 82.28 and the median was 85.7. The standard deviation was 15.78, so Aaron Rodger's 93.8 does lie within one standard deviation of the mean, but when you look at the statistics you see that only Phillip Rivers had a QB rating (on the high end) more than one standard deviation from the mean, and you would at least consider the top 5 to be above average, and Rodgers landing out of the top 5 by 1.2 points probably makes him above average as well.

So really, Partial, you have no statistical leg to stand on for your "Aaron Rodgers is average" claim, since the important statistics indicate that he was significantly above average (at least in yards and touchdowns).

If you want to base your claims that Rodgers is average on "having watched him" feel free to do so, but you're unlikely to convince anybody with this opinion since many others have watched him and reached different conclusions.

Dang, Lurker. You're smart.

[sheepshead]

However, I could see people putting him at about 10-12, and that puts him firmly in the AVERAGE group, as I have said all along.

Wait, if he's in the 10-12 range, he could in theory be #10, in which case he would be "top 10." I'm not sure how you can be both "top 10" and "average" in the NFL.

I mean, the 10th ranked defense is a good defense, it's not an average defense.

Plus, if you have the 10th best QB in the league, there are 22 teams that wish they had a QB as good as yours, that's average? I'd think "average" would be about the #16 QB.

I'm not sure in what way #10 out of 32 can be "average", and that's even ignoring the fact that there are teams with a bad situation at the QB position who have multiple starting QBs, so Rodgers is more like 10 out of 40, which would put him in the highest quartile, which is pretty good.

Since when is being the 33-36% better than average? 25-75 is average sir.

I think the misconception here is that most people seem to think the quarterbacks I consider as bad, they consider as average.

Like I said, there are 7-8 good quarterbacks, 14-16 average, 7-8 bad.

One could even say: 6 good, 6 above average, 6 average, 6 below average, 6 bad, if you want, than Rodgers is slightly into the above average group, as I have said all along. He's average to slightly above average.

Hmmmm, maybe that braniac mathematician Partial is reasonably intelligent after all

You are an idiot. Anyone that has to continue to tell us "I'm this" and "I'm that" most times, isn't. You are "Tank Lite", but equally as annoying.

[The Leaper]

I knew I should not have started reading NFL forums after my offseason hiatus...my head hurts.

[run pMc]

I think NYJ can't keep him witout blowing up their cap.
If he wants to come back, they'll release him. If that happens, MIN would be the most likely landing spot.

That's a couple of if's...but I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.

As for the GM gentlemen's club comments, I don't think Tannenbaum would get roasted for trying to keep a team intact. They'll draft/sign somebody else like Byron Leftwich. On the flip side of that, I do think if MIN signed Favre that MIN would cause a stir, since I think it took a while for some to get over the "poison pill" nonsense with Hutchinson.

All that said, if Favre changes his mind in June and signs with MIN, don't you think he's gonna have another flame out in December? Throwing to the high school team isn't the same as having a trainer living with you...plus he has to deal with an injured arm.

Personally, I'd love to see him stay retired and get a gig like Siragusa as a in-game sidelline reporter. That'd be pretty funny.

The Rodgers as average QB discussion seems off topic, but I think he's better than at least half of the starters last year...which makes him above average. Statistically, he's well above average. IMO he was the best QB in the NFCN, and that alone counts for something. As long as he stays healthy, I think the future looks good at QB.