"Retirement" all part of a plan?

[cpk1994]

How? Aaron had ZERO career starts, and looked above average in one game. Clemens is ahead of where A-Rod was in starts and experience certainly.

Aaron Rodgers is simply a better player than Kellen Clemens will ever be, especially since the Jets have basically abandoned their idea of having him be the QB for the future and QB guru Mike McCarthy had the opposite opinion of his young QB. Kellen Clemens isn't ready to play at a high level in the NFL, he may never be.

How do you know that? Rodgers is a slightly above average QB at best right now. Clemens hasn't shown enough either way.

MM probably has that opinion because his boss is forcing it on him so he can win face against BF. If they thought THAT highly of Rodgers, they would have fortified our struggling offense with that second round pick instead of spending it on a quarterback (who I think is still our eventual starter).

You hate Rodgers, we get it. The rest of your post is garbage as M3 wants Arod just as much as TT did so saying TT is shoving ARod down M3 throat is pure an utter bullshit. Rodgers is better than Clemens and it ain't even close. Just admit you hate Rodgers and will move on.

[cpk1994]

How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

Kind of like how you have been writing off Rodgers before he started a game? Talk about blatant hypocrisy!

[Freak Out]

Freaking Patler.

[sheepshead]

How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

QB rating: 6th
Completion %: 10th
Yards: 4th
Yards/Att: 9th
TDs: 4th
TD%: 4th

Basically every major statistical category he is well, well above average, but I'm guessing your own personal judgment of talent is more relevant, right?

Best QB in the NFC North also.

All with a Swiss cheese defense and a shuffling OL.

[Bossman641]

How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

I really can't figure you out. Didn't you once say before that Rodgers had this year only to show anything and if you were the GM and you didn't like his performance you would quickly get rid of him and move on to the next guy?

And yet, here you are willing to give a guy with a career QB rating of 60, 52% completion, 5 TD, and 11 INT more time?

Is it just that time of the month or what? Time for Partial's monthly post about pointing out how average Rodgers is?

They're not even remotely comparable.

Here I'll even put it in your language, maybe you'll understand it this way.

Clemens != Rodgers

[mission]

And yet, here you are willing to give a guy with a career QB rating of 60, 52% completion, 5 TD, and 11 INT more time?s

Wow! I didn't know it was *that* bad! I read his post when it went up, started a reply and just decided against it... I wanted to read yall's onslaught and it delivers. The comparison is too much.

[vince]

There you guys go again focusing on the man's worst attributes - his actual performance on the field. It's clearly Clemens' revolutionary physique that gives him such potential... Plus, I'm sure he had to have led a last minute comeback in college or high school at some point.

Get a clue people. Those of us in the know understand what this dude's really all about.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers is average.

That's just loopy. Crazy talk. Unsupportable.

Stop picking on Partial. Somebody here had to fill Tank's role.

[Packers4Ever]

We'd get our 6th round draft choice back if he does come back. Would be interesting for the NFL though if he did come back, get his release and then play for the Vikings.

If that was the case, the dwindling remaining loyalty to him would be gone.

I doubt if the Vikings would still be hot to have Favre on their squad, if they ever were. Put yourself in the place of the Viking's owners, GM, coaches as well as MN fans, I know they need a big name to 'beef up' their ticket sales after falling so far behind in 2008 but I don't think that would work anymore.

Makes you sick, he's really put himself into a bad situation for a year now and that's not going to help him fan - wise - or Media. ESPN wasn't exactly
giving him a boost today......

[Partial]

There you guys go again focusing on the man's worst attributes - his actual performance on the field. It's clearly Clemens' revolutionary physique that gives him such potential... Plus, I'm sure he had to have led a last minute comeback in college or high school at some point.

Get a clue people. Those of us in the know understand what this dude's really all about.

Right. So far, you've shown a football IQ of about 2. Rodgers led a 13-3 team to a 6-10 record, and took a great offense and made them anemic.

Clemens' playing time came as a Rookie. Look at how bad Rodgers stats as a rookie were! Completely unfair comparison.

[Partial]

Rodgers is average.

That's just loopy. Crazy talk. Unsupportable.

Stop picking on Partial. Somebody here had to fill Tank's role.

How's it not? When was the last time a stud quarterback with a team that went to the championship the previous year went 6-10?!?

Our offense went from world class to inept. That is an undeniable fact. We were beyond awful in the second half.

I'm not like Tank. Anyone who is anyone who watches football can go through a list of quarterbacks, and Rodgers typically falls at best 10th or so in the league (upper end of AVERAGE) to 20th (lower end of average).

Bob McGinn interviewed professional scouts (better at ranking players than your common board poster) and they ranked him on average 19th in the league. That is BELOW average. I think he is better than that, and probably around 14th best.

14th best in the league is average.

Seriously, some of you guys evidently don't understand what average is. I would like everyone here to rank the top 20 quarterbacks in the NFL in order of their ability to win a crucial game today against a top-tier team. I suspect Rodgers will be ranked about 12th.

12th is average!

[Gunakor]

There you guys go again focusing on the man's worst attributes - his actual performance on the field. It's clearly Clemens' revolutionary physique that gives him such potential... Plus, I'm sure he had to have led a last minute comeback in college or high school at some point.

Get a clue people. Those of us in the know understand what this dude's really all about.

Right. So far, you've shown a football IQ of about 2. Rodgers led a 13-3 team to a 6-10 record, and took a great offense and made them anemic.

Clemens' playing time came as a Rookie. Look at how bad Rodgers stats as a rookie were! Completely unfair comparison.

LOL at TEAM records being used as the baramoter to compare INDIVIDUAL performances. And you got it wrong anyway.

First of all, the Packers of 2007 were NOT a 13 win team. They were a 10 win team that happened to win 13 games based on sheer luck. Secondly, the 2008 packers were not merely a 6 win team, they were an 8-9 win team that happened to only win 6 games based on injury and defensive meltdowns.

But, while you are comparing the 13 win 2007 team to the 6 win 2008 team, why don't you include DEFENSIVE statistics from both years in your argument? Like, you know, how many times did our opponents score on their very last possession of the game in 2007 compared to 2008. Or total points given up overall.

[vince]

How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

QB rating: 6th
Completion %: 10th
Yards: 4th
Yards/Att: 9th
TDs: 4th
TD%: 4th

Basically every major statistical category he is well, well above average, but I'm guessing your own personal judgment of talent is more relevant, right?

C'mon sharpe. You just seriously don't understand what average means man. You know, that word that Partial can stretch to mean whatever he needs it to in order to dig in his heels and maintain he's right about something in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

And besides, you're absolutely right that those completely objective actual performance measurments don't count here. As you say, it's only about what the Parsh-man says his talent level is. Average man.

12th in the league? Forget about whether there's any actual validity whatsoever in Partial's magical formula of etceteras or not, but even though there would be almost twice as many below him at that ranking - that's average man! Well, maybe it's actually much better than average, but it's close enough to average for Partial to ignore Rodgers' actual performance rankings and rate him by his physique and his defense's inability to stop the opponents late in games - and who knows what other irrelevant criteria to pull him down to 12th. Then he can legitimately stretch the real meaning of the word in a feeble attempt to support his opinions - and criticize everyone for not knowing the meaning of the word average at the same time.

Don't worry about whether the coaches that work with him every day say that Rodgers scores higher than any quarterback they have ever worked with across the full spectrum of skills and abilities needed for success in this league. And by all means, don't worry about his actual performance relative to the other quarterbacks in the league.

It's all about what Partial, Bob McGinn, and a few anonymous hand-picked "scouts" McGinn selected to support his opinion think. You know - those in the know man! And McGinn is completely objective you see. His job has no dependence whatsoever on his ability to stir controversy to sell papers or anything of the like.

Mike McCarthy - clearly not in the know when it comes to Aaron Rodgers. What does he know about quarterbacks? He's just a puppet to manage Ted Thompson's public image. And Thompson's observations about Rodgers' development over the last four years? Worthless. He'd rather throw an average quarterback out there just to cover his ass on his draft picks - because that would be better for his public image than winning the actual games.

Partial could teach those guys - and all of us - a few things about the meaning of average.

[cpk1994]

It's all about what Partial, Bob McGinn, and a few anonymous hand-picked "scouts" McGinn selected to support his opinion think. You know - those in the know man! And McGinn is completely objective you see. His job has no dependence whatsoever on his ability to stir controversy to sell papers or anything of the like.

Not to mention it is well known that McGinn was very pro-Favre and bashed Thompson big time.

[Fritz]

C'mon, Vince. That whole rationality-logic-facts thing again. It's so...inconvenient.