Official Packers Destroy Bears More F****** Banjo Thread

[Joemailman]

https://x.com/JacobWestendorf/status/2109376482959352049/video/1

[Joemailman]

Ben Johnson is 2-6 in NFC North games.

[Vincenzo]

[Tony Oday]

The beat a backup QB - let's temper expectations a bit.

This is lazy, their QB doesn't play defense.

[Fritz]

I don't think it's lazy. Had Caleb Williams been playing, it'd been a whole different game. As it would have if Parsons had been playing, and Cooper, and so on.

It's just about tempering your excitement.

[bobblehead]

Im with tex. Everyone around Green Bay has been melting down and I say Love has been throwing dots and if that line gets better we’re legit

If the team died in a plane crash and we fielded the West DePere JV team Tex would predict a packer win and chastise us for not believing in the 16 year olds.

[bobblehead]

I wondered about the wind, and if maybe he overcorrected.

Several past Packers kickers have talked about how confusing the wind action can be inside the stadium, and that it takes time to really understand it. Apparently, the direction can change at different elevations under some wind conditions. I don't understand why they don't bring in Crosby for a couple days to go into the stadium with Smack to give whatever insight he might have.

Money Mase as assistant ST coach. I like it.

[bobblehead]

I hope Smack figures out the winds in Lambeau. I know Santos also missed one he normally would make, so I give the rookie some rope. (Plus he's played well so far.) He'll need to learn from this though, you can't leave 7 points on the field and win often. McManus knows about that.

All McAnus knows is Gutes handed him a million cash money and then released him even though keeping him through camp to put pressure on the rookie would have cost ZERO more.

[bobblehead]

Last note tonight, anyone notice a LOT of play action?

About FUCKING TIME!!!

[bobblehead]

Bobble, I agree that it was a good offensive game plan against the Bears and what they were doing and the talent they had or did not have.My point is that having that anemic of a run game is not going to work going forward. I would agree to an extent that the offensive line clown show is laregely Guter's fault. He had two guys out on the street he could've signed at any time but waited until the guards they were using were clearly a tire fire. However, it's not clear whether The Flower was begging Guter to bring in someone else, or whether The Flower thought they'd be okay. In addition, it was not Guter's decision to start Donovan Jennings and Jacob Monk over Travis Glover, who has been an upgrade. Not saying he's great, but he's been better, and the coaches didn't seem to know that. I also think it's ridiculous to fault Guter for extending ZBB, if you were to claim that. The guy was young and clearly a very good right tackle, and nobody could know he'd injure and then re-injure himself. On top of that, you yourself said Morgan would likely be a better tackle right now if he hadn't been played out of position.

So yes, Guter shoulders some of the blame for the horror show. For sure. I'm not disagreeing. But I think the coaching staff also deserves blame for trotting out the product they were.

And I'm having a hard time getting past Edgerrin Cooper's injury. Man, the guy was flying around, playing at a very high level. That defense, with Cooper, Williams, Van Mess, The Dentist, Cisse, and Parsons coming back - that would've been something to see. That defense could keep a mediocre offense afloat for a while, though ultimately it's a leauge hell bent on offense.

I wasn't faulting Gutes for extending ZBB, I was forgiving him for not having an adequate backup as I said you almost had to count on him bouncing back. The guards were unforgivable since we didn't even have decent starting material (Banks has shown me nothing).

[run pMc]

I don't think it's lazy. Had Caleb Williams been playing, it'd been a whole different game. As it would have if Parsons had been playing, and Cooper, and so on.

It's just about tempering your excitement.

Yeah, agree. I think Ben Johnson is a smart offensive mind (and a jerk) and he managed to get wins with backup QBs so I was uneasy about this game. If you think about it more objectively, GB should beat a backup QB at home. We've had too many Baker and DeVito moments lately, and Jalon Daniels giving the team a scare likely contributed to that.

I think if Caleb Williams was playing this would definitely have been a different game. But I still think GB has a better overall team, they just didn't play like it before this game. 31-7 is winning big, and teams usually don't get many big multiscore wins like this in a season.

[run pMc]

I'd like to acknowledge that Nixon had another good game. Yeah, I don't think he's a CB1 but he's generally playing pretty well. Not surprised it's a contract year.

[run pMc]

I wasn't faulting Gutes for extending ZBB, I was forgiving him for not having an adequate backup as I said you almost had to count on him bouncing back. The guards were unforgivable since we didn't even have decent starting material (Banks has shown me nothing).

Banks has been a walking injury. I agree there needed to be better planning around their backups - betting that ZBB and Banks would stay healthy would be long odds, I'd think. Thinking that Jennings (who is a UDFA) is actually better than players you drafted (Glover, Burton, etc.) is wild, as is playing an undersized Monk at G in a power scheme. Oh wait, they tried to go back to outside zone with players who were better at inside zone/power. I put some blame on Gute, but I put a lot of blame on the coaches and definitely some on the players. MLF/Steno/Butkus for playing all these games with the OL lineup and not developing the draft picks. Players for not being able to execute their assignments and having bad fundamentals. If you can't pick up a stunt with your linemate after a year (or more) on the squad then I don't know what to say.

I'd put it at something like 30% Gute, 35% coaches, 35% players.

[Fritz]

Banks has been a walking injury. I agree there needed to be better planning around their backups - betting that ZBB and Banks would stay healthy would be long odds, I'd think. Thinking that Jennings (who is a UDFA) is actually better than players you drafted (Glover, Burton, etc.) is wild, as is playing an undersized Monk at G in a power scheme. Oh wait, they tried to go back to outside zone with players who were better at inside zone/power. I put some blame on Gute, but I put a lot of blame on the coaches and definitely some on the players. MLF/Steno/Butkus for playing all these games with the OL lineup and not developing the draft picks. Players for not being able to execute their assignments and having bad fundamentals. If you can't pick up a stunt with your linemate after a year (or more) on the squad then I don't know what to say.

I'd put it at something like 30% Gute, 35% coaches, 35% players.

I can agree with this, as I can with Bobble's response to my post. Plenty of blame to go around.

So what I wonder also is this: the line is playing better with Tomlinson in there, and with Glover in there. Was Butkus pushing for Glover to start, and Stenavich and LeFleur didn't listen, or was Butkus on the Jacob Monk/Donovan Jennings train? And are they better in part because guys like Tomlinson and Zeitler need no coaching at this point, outside of scheme (I'm assuming Zeitler will start over Glover soon).

Side note: Those of you who actually know what you're talking about - is Belton playing okay at RT?

[Joemailman]

I can agree with this, as I can with Bobble's response to my post. Plenty of blame to go around.

So what I wonder also is this: the line is playing better with Tomlinson in there, and with Glover in there. Was Butkus pushing for Glover to start, and Stenavich and LeFleur didn't listen, or was Butkus on the Jacob Monk/Donovan Jennings train? And are they better in part because guys like Tomlinson and Zeitler need no coaching at this point, outside of scheme (I'm assuming Zeitler will start over Glover soon).

Side note: Those of you who actually know what you're talking about - is Belton playing okay at RT?

Belton has played pretty well the last 2 weeks. Hopefully he can string some decent games together. The big test will be Aiden Hutchinson week 7. Belton really struggled weeks 2 and 3, but PFF gave him a 68.2 score week 5, which is above average. I believe with their scoring, 60 is average and 100 is perfect.