Cutler to the Bears

[Partial]

Where's sexy rexy? I always kinda liked him as a player. Good arm. Knack for the big play and theatrics.

I think you mean knack for the stupid play. He's unsigned.

Didn't specify which team the big play was for :P

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Where's sexy rexy? I always kinda liked him as a player. Good arm. Knack for the big play and theatrics.

I think you mean knack for the stupid play. He's unsigned.

Didn't specify which team the big play was for :P

You love those kind of guys apparently, Partial... all show and hot air... relateable I guess? :P

[mission]

Dilfer is saying on ESPN that Cutler is "BY FAR" (he stressed that) the second best QB in the division. Him and Schlereth are saying the exact same things. Lots of A-Rod praising right now, wow... good minute or so of explanation on why they're loving Rodgers.

[Bretsky]

Dilfer is saying on ESPN that Cutler is "BY FAR" (he stressed that) the second best QB in the division. Him and Schlereth are saying the exact same things. Lots of A-Rod praising right now, wow... good minute or so of explanation on why they're loving Rodgers.

Dilfer has been an idiot lately....noticing Culter would not be that much of an upgrade the the Vikings There is no by far in this comparison....either way. Most non homers would think Cutler is better than AROD; I'm a homer......and I can admit that......so I think AROD is slightly better than Cutler.

But time will tell if I'm right or wrong, and it would not surprise me either way

[Noodle]

The Bears just got better...and significantly so.

It sure makes Wolf's deal for Favre look like a steal though. The Bears had to pay through the nose!

Yes, they got better. Big time.

But come on, Leap, that's not really a fair comparison. Favre was a never was bench warmer in Hotlanta, and it still cost GB a first rounder to get him. Cutler is a proven real deal, so I don't think it's extraordinary to give up two ones to get yourself a proven near-first tier qb like Cutler.

Besides, people overvalue draft picks, acting as if they are sure gold. Really? Let's see, we had no first round pick in 2008 and picked up JH in 2007. Even if you call our 2008 first rounder Jordy Nelson, who I like, wouldn't you rather have Cutler over JH and Jordy?

[Bretsky]

The Bears just got better...and significantly so.

It sure makes Wolf's deal for Favre look like a steal though. The Bears had to pay through the nose!

Yes, they got better. Big time.

But come on, Leap, that's not really a fair comparison. Favre was a never was bench warmer in Hotlanta, and it still cost GB a first rounder to get him. Cutler is a proven real deal, so I don't think it's extraordinary to give up two ones to get yourself a proven near-first tier qb like Cutler.

Besides, people overvalue draft picks, acting as if they are sure gold. Really? Let's see, we had no first round pick in 2008 and picked up JH in 2007. Even if you call our 2008 first rounder Jordy Nelson, who I like, wouldn't you rather have Cutler over JH and Jordy?

Great Points Noodle; draft picks can be hit or miss anyways

I think TTT has had 11 1st or second rounders so far

Up to this point we have one star (Jennings)
One potentially rising star IMO (Rodgers)
and One very good player who might be a star (Collins)
one disappointing player we all pray begins to excel (Hawk)

We have some decent guys in Colledge and Spitz.....Nelson

And we have some non producers so far in Justine Harrell, Patrick Lee, Brian Brohm, and Terrence Murphy (I know the latter is not fair)

To trade picks for a legit player who is young...........dang

SMART MOVE by Da Bears.

[Dabaddestbear]

Dilfer is saying on ESPN that Cutler is "BY FAR" (he stressed that) the second best QB in the division. Him and Schlereth are saying the exact same things. Lots of A-Rod praising right now, wow... good minute or so of explanation on why they're loving Rodgers.

lol...these ESPN idiots don't even know who is on our team. They're clueless. The only time they'll figure out who is even on our roster is if we make the playoffs.

They were mentioning players on our team that got cut right after the season ended, and Schlereth all of a sudden has a man love for Orton and made him out to be a Pro-Bowl QB now that he is with his old team(Broncos). He is the same person that said the Bears would finish last in the division last year, and second to last the year they went to the SB...lol. They both went on to say the Bears would be worst this upcoming season than last..lol. I never trust these cats judgment even when they are talking bad about the Packers

All of that being said, these are the only national guys saying this was not good for the Bears. Check out both of their predictions each year on espn archives and you will see what I mean. They are some of the worst!

Here go an excerpt from an article from NFL.COM that breaks it down with less bias.

Presuming that all works as planned, the Bears clearly can thrive this season when you consider their soft schedule and the fact they have, by far, the best quarterback in their division.

The Green Bay Packers are solid with Aaron Rodgers, but he still has some developing to do. The Vikings will pick a starter from one of two unaccomplished candidates -- Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson. The Lions are likely to find their quarterback in the draft, but it is unlikely that a rookie (whether he is Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez or anyone else) is going to make an impact this year.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

SI.COM

Having won the Cutler sweepstakes -- and rapidly at that -- the Bears have instantly upgraded their quarterback position to the best in the NFC North.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1

Fox Sports

Now we have a clear starter in the Windy City, and I think this bodes well for them. Chicago now has the best quarterback in the NFC North (Sage Rosenfels MIN, Aaron Rodgers GB, Drew Stanton DET).
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs..._Out_of_Denver

USA TODAY

"This puts Lovie Smith and the Bears back in the Super Bowl conversation," CBS and NFL Network analyst Solomon Wilcots said. "Is there a better quarterback in the NFC North division than Jay Cutler?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...r-traded_N.htm

And go on all major sports websites and you will see that none is talking as stupid as those two on ESPN..lol.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Besides, people overvalue draft picks, acting as if they are sure gold. Really? Let's see, we had no first round pick in 2008 and picked up JH in 2007. Even if you call our 2008 first rounder Jordy Nelson, who I like, wouldn't you rather have Cutler over JH and Jordy?

Yeah, some times I think draft picks are slightly overvalued because they aren't sure things. I actually like the trade for the Bears. However, there is a flip side. We generally haven't picked well in round 1, even under Ron Wolf, but look at what some other teams have done with first round picks in back-to-back years:

The Vikings picked Adrian Peterson + Chad Greenway
The Ravens picked Ed Reed + Terrell Suggs
The Panthers picks Jordan Gross + Julius Peppers
The Jaguars picked Marcus Stroud + John Henderson
The Patroits picked Vince Wilfork + Ty Warren
The Steelers picked Ben Roethlisberger + Troy Polamalu
The Chargers picked Antonio Cromartie + Shawne Merriman

[Partial]

Harv,

I don't know how many of those guys were picked high, but some of them certainly will. They're not going to find a Julius Peppers at 18! Ideally, if the Bears improve and make the playoffs with Cutler, which is a legit possibility -- maybe even a probability when looking at their schedule --, they will likely be picking even lower next year.

That is something that has to be considered, as not all 1s are created equal, as you obviously know.

I think the Bears got a steal personally. Franchise QBs don't go on the market often.

[Patler]

Like I said Rodgers is a good QB, but there was many times that he just threw short passes and his WR's would make a 7 yard slant pass into a 50 yard gain.

Absolutely not true. Most of us were questioning on here what had become of the slant. A staple in the Packers game plan under Favre virtually disappeared last year. Even McCarthy admitted it last year when he was asked how the offense would change with the QB change. He said that the principles of the offense did not change, but the frequency of certain play calls would, because QBs have different strengths on different throws. He then specifically mentioned the short slant, which he said Favre threw better than anyone, but was not a strength for Rodgers. As it turned out, he did not call it nearly as much as in the past.

Rodger's average TD pass was 15.6 yards. In 2007 Favre's average was 25.2 I believe the Packers led the NFL in YAC 2007, but dropped significantly in 2008. Rodgers YAC% in 2008 was 41%, one of the lowest in the NFL. (Favre's in 2008 was 51%). Of 40 QBs rated, only 4 had a lower YAC% than Rodgers in 2008. The receivers even talked about it toward the end of the year, and how they had declined from their performance in 2007.

If you look at "air yards/attempt", the average yardage picked up before the catch, in essence the opposite of YAC, among the 40 QBs rated, Rodgers was tied for 3rd highest average.

Rodgers got his yards on his throws, not on his receivers picking up yardage after the catch.

[Fritz]

Like I said Rodgers is a good QB, but there was many times that he just threw short passes and his WR's would make a 7 yard slant pass into a 50 yard gain.

Absolutely not true. Most of us were questioning on here what had become of the slant. A staple in the Packers game plan under Favre virtually disappeared last year. Even McCarthy admitted it last year when he was asked how the offense would change with the QB change. He said that the principles of the offense did not change, but the frequency of certain play calls would, because QBs have different strengths on different throws. He then specifically mentioned the short slant, which he said Favre threw better than anyone, but was not a strength for Rodgers. As it turned out, he did not call it nearly as much as in the past.

Rodger's average TD pass was 15.6 yards. In 2007 Favre's average was 25.2 I believe the Packers led the NFL in YAC 2007, but dropped significantly in 2008. Rodgers YAC% in 2008 was 41%, one of the lowest in the NFL. (Favre's in 2008 was 51%). Of 40 QBs rated, only 4 had a lower YAC% than Rodgers in 2008. The receivers even talked about it toward the end of the year, and how they had declined from their performance in 2007.

If you look at "air yards/attempt", the average yardage picked up before the catch, in essence the opposite of YAC, among the 40 QBs rated, Rodgers was tied for 3rd highest average.

Rodgers got his yards on his throws, not on his receivers picking up yardage after the catch.

Doesn't matter who you root for....Patler is an equal-opportunity Paterlizer!
Go Patler!

[MJZiggy]

[Waldo]

Like I said Rodgers is a good QB, but there was many times that he just threw short passes and his WR's would make a 7 yard slant pass into a 50 yard gain.

Absolutely not true. Most of us were questioning on here what had become of the slant. A staple in the Packers game plan under Favre virtually disappeared last year. Even McCarthy admitted it last year when he was asked how the offense would change with the QB change. He said that the principles of the offense did not change, but the frequency of certain play calls would, because QBs have different strengths on different throws. He then specifically mentioned the short slant, which he said Favre threw better than anyone, but was not a strength for Rodgers. As it turned out, he did not call it nearly as much as in the past.

Rodger's average TD pass was 15.6 yards. In 2007 Favre's average was 25.2 I believe the Packers led the NFL in YAC 2007, but dropped significantly in 2008. Rodgers YAC% in 2008 was 41%, one of the lowest in the NFL. (Favre's in 2008 was 51%). Of 40 QBs rated, only 4 had a lower YAC% than Rodgers in 2008. The receivers even talked about it toward the end of the year, and how they had declined from their performance in 2007.

If you look at "air yards/attempt", the average yardage picked up before the catch, in essence the opposite of YAC, among the 40 QBs rated, Rodgers was tied for 3rd highest average.

Rodgers got his yards on his throws, not on his receivers picking up yardage after the catch.

I noticed that MM called a lot more post-corner routes. In fact I'm at a loss to think of a time he ever called it with Brett. An extremely effective yet dangerous route, an underthrown ball is an int with near certainty. Aaron tends to miss long on the deep ones, Brett missed short, perhaps explaining why MM never called the route previously.

[Patler]

I noticed that MM called a lot more post-corner routes. In fact I'm at a loss to think of a time he ever called it with Brett. An extremely effective yet dangerous route, an underthrown ball is an int with near certainty. Aaron tends to miss long on the deep ones, Brett missed short, perhaps explaining why MM never called the route previously.

MM mentioned one time that Rodgers strength was in the 15-20 yard range, and that he was most comfortable throwing out routes. Goes hand-in-hand with your observation of what was called.

[cpk1994]

Where's sexy rexy? I always kinda liked him as a player. Good arm. Knack for the big play and theatrics.

I think you mean knack for the stupid play. He's unsigned.

Didn't specify which team the big play was for :P

You love those kind of guys apparently, Partial... all show and hot air... relateable I guess? :P

Boy, Partial's retardosity is showing a lot in this thread. More than ususal.

So, the Bears signed Cutler. Good pick up, but he isn't a stud, no matter how much Partial slobs on his knob. He still needs WR to throw to and the rest of the team is old and full of holes. I still say the Packers win the division this year.