Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”

[Pacopete4]

Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

You don't think he is the slightest bit interested in winning another Super Bowl? You think he'd really come back to the Vikes if they were not on the brink of being at that level of play? I think you're wrong here. While some of it may be the hatred of Ted Thompson, I'm not saying that, I think he wants to go somewhere hes needed, hes familiar with, and somewhere he can win. Coming back to haunt TT is just a bonus for him as he is driven with competitive spirit and its just another way to bring that out.

No, getting back at TT is not a "bonus." It is the motivating factor in his return. It's the sole driving force, the only reason for him to come back. It's the only thing left for him to prove. Anything else the could be done in this league, he's already done. He's said so himself. There is no other reason for him to come back than to stick it to Thompson.

If TT retired this year, Favre would not be contemplating a return to the NFL. Do you honestly believe this not to be the case? What has he said or implied over the past year and a half that would suggest otherwise?

I'm not gonna look up quotes or anything but I know hes said he loves playing the game, wants to win a super bowl ect... I didn't say it wasnt a factor in his return, I'm just pointing out to you that its not the ONLY factor.

[Gunakor]

No Paco, you are pointing out to me that you THINK it isn't the only factor. From my perspective, when he readily admits after the 2008 season that his intentions in coming back to play for the Jets was to stick it to TT, that tells me his goal was to stick it to TT. Nothing he's said since then has told otherwise. So why should I believe that this year is any different? Really now, Favre has admitted to what I have said is true about him. Everybody knows what he said. I won't go and look up quotes either, but I know you heard what the rest of us heard. What is it that convinces you that it won't be the same this year, should he come back to play for the Vikings?

[Scott Campbell]

I get the appeal beyond just sticking it to Ted. A steady diet of Adrian Peterson and 8 in the box defenses isn't a bad setup for an older QB. He's well past the point of being able to carry a team, and he wouldn't be asked to do so in Minny.

However, he hasn't yet demonstrated an ability to transition from gunslinger to caretaker. Is Childress that desperate that he'd roll the dice on Favre? Favre has been through 3 coaches in the last 4 seasons, and 2 of them have gotten fired. He should get along fine with Longwell and Bevell, but what about the rest of their locker room? Do they mind the freak show he'll bring with him? Will he insist on playing hurt to the detriment of his team just to keep the start streak alive?

Brett brings a lot of baggage into any situation, and I'm not sure the reigning division champs need all the drama. Though looking at their QB depth chart, they just might.

[PackerBlues]

PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation. Football is not the sole reason why many Packer fans are disgusted with Favre right now. It's the way he's gone about his business lately. He turned many fans off last year when he left for New York, taking parting shots at the Packers on his way out.

Correct me if I am wrong here....(and I'm not), but it was Thompson that sent Favre to New York for a draft pick. I tend to believe that Favre was disgusted by Thompson from the start, and that they never got along. Thompson started the rebuilding process during what may have been Favre's last shot at a Super Bowl run with the Packers. Thompson had a job to do, and I understand that. Unlike most of you however, I can put myself in Favre's shoes, and I can see why he would be pissed at the Packers. Again, if he does come back, who are any of you to complain?

Of all of those fans who were displeased with his behavior last year, most of us had let that one go. He had again retired, the healing process was about to begin, and eventually Favre would come back to embrace the franchise that made him a HOF quarterback. Threads like this one would not be created anymore, the Favre debate would end, and things would get back to normal.

So much for that happening.

So you feel jilted by the fact that Favre might come back? Again, if he has the gas in the tank, and the desire to play.......who are you to complain?

This is the crux of the matter PB. Favre isn't coming back to the Vikings because he wants to win a Super Bowl. He's not coming back to prove to himself that he can still play. He's coming back because he wants to stick it to the Packers. He says it's only a beef with Ted Thompson, and it might be, but when your idea of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers twice per season, that inevitably affects the Packers as a team. That, and the fans that root for them. It's petty, and I'm sure even you could perhaps understand that. He wants to make the Packers - all of them - suffer, because of a beef he has with just one of them. That's his goal in coming back. Doesn't that sound childish and petty to you?

All speculation, and your own opinions. Thompson could not have been more clear about wanting Favre out of GB, and as far as that goes, I believe that Favre wanted out of GB because of Thompson. What is childish and petty, is how the fans have reacted to all of it. If Favre wasn't good enough to play in GB, or if Thompson could not convince Favre to stay in GB as a back-up to Rogers or whatever the case.......why should any of you care if he wants to play for a team that will have him. For that matter, why should his reasonings matter to you at all?

Listen, all of the Favre supporters have asked the Favre detractors here in Green Bay to let it go. Favre should be able to play, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants. He's earned that. That's fine, and I have tried to let it go. But it's tough when Favre won't let it go, and his supporters won't let it go. I have to assume that Favre is every bit as capable of letting bygones be bygones as we are. Same for you and your fellow Favre supporters. But it's no longer about Favre simply playing football, and that's why I and many others are so frustrated and upset now. It's about damaging the Packers chances of success, and that's it. That's all this is about.

No Packer fan in their right mind should support that, even if it's Brett Favre. Regardless of how you feel the situation was handled, you I would assume still wish the Packers success. How can you support Favre's desire to beat the Packers and still support the Packers being successful?

Well, if Favre is playing for another team, isn't it going to be his job to beat the teams he plays against? Wouldn't it make the games against the Vikes or whoever, that much more interesting if the opposing QB actually wanted to beat the Packers? Can you give me the name of a starting QB who does not want to beat the team he is playing against?
Who is actually being petty here?

[Scott Campbell]

For that matter, why should his reasonings matter to you at all?

Along those same lines, why should it matter to you that it matters to Gunakor?


Favre is free to do as he pleases. Fans are free to react as they please. Deal with it.

[PackerBlues]

For that matter, why should his reasonings matter to you at all?

Along those same lines, why should it matter to you that it matters to Gunakor?


Favre is free to do as he pleases. Fans are free to react as they please. Deal with it.

ok, why should it matter to Gunakor that it matters to me......
or, why should it matter to you..............

[Pacopete4]

No Paco, you are pointing out to me that you THINK it isn't the only factor. From my perspective, when he readily admits after the 2008 season that his intentions in coming back to play for the Jets was to stick it to TT, that tells me his goal was to stick it to TT. Nothing he's said since then has told otherwise. So why should I believe that this year is any different? Really now, Favre has admitted to what I have said is true about him. Everybody knows what he said. I won't go and look up quotes either, but I know you heard what the rest of us heard. What is it that convinces you that it won't be the same this year, should he come back to play for the Vikings?

"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted,'' he said in a rather startling admission.


Like I was saying.. part of it has to do with TT but not all of it.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm not gonna look up quotes or anything but I know hes said he loves playing the game, wants to win a super bowl ect... I didn't say it wasnt a factor in his return, I'm just pointing out to you that its not the ONLY factor.

I think that's a fair and reasonable position.

[mraynrand]

"who are any of you to complain."

We are Packer fans.

That pretty much answers all the questions doesn't it. About 90% of all the stuff relating to Favre at this point is pure soap opera:



Packer Fan #1, hearing Favre will join the Vikings: "I can't think about that right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. "

Packer fan #2 "Fiddle-dee-dee. Favre, Favre, Favre; this Favre talk's spoiling all the fun on every thread this spring. I get so bored I could scream. Besides... there isn't going to be any Favre."

Brett: "I'm not asking you to forgive me. I'll never understand or forgive myself. And if a defensive lineman gets me, so help me, I'll laugh at myself for being an idiot. There's one thing I do know... and that is that I love the Packers. In spite of them and me and the whole silly world going to pieces around us, I love them. Because we're alike. Bad lots, both of us. Selfish and shrewd. But able to look things in the eyes as we call them by their right names."

[bobblehead]

I understand that favre is still better than TJack. But honestly, I kinda hope he does go play with the vikings. The man is 40 coming off a throwing arm injury. He disdains working out in the offseason. Sorry, but I was much more upset about Cutler to the bears than I would be over favre to the vikings. This won't hurt the packers at all.

[Gunakor]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment. Your #1 desire is to see the Packers win football games. One of the greatest players that ever donned the jersey of the team you support is now on record saying that he'd like nothing more than to stick it to the team you support. For Favre to get his wish, that means the Packers will inevitably lose football games. Do you see where I'm coming from now? The Packers success as a football team is far more important to me than Favre's success as an individual. I would much rather see Green Bay beat Minnesota twice every season, regardless who their quarterback is.

Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

If you had a beef with your boss at work, would you try to undermine the success of every employee at your place of business just to get even with one guy you have a problem with there? Even if you had friends who still worked for that company, who would inevitably be hurt by your crusade against said company? No, that would be petty. Most people would not take their anger with their boss to that extreme, and if they did, they would be looked down upon as being petty and vindictive.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

[Pacopete4]

Well, if he signs with Minny he won't have Cole, Cotchery, Keller and Washington to throw to.

Coles was brutal, he was a poor mans Antonio Freeman with a bad attitude.
Cotchery is a good #2 on any team.
Keller is an up and coming stud as a pass catching TE.
Washington as a pass catcher? Ya, he was pretty solid but its not like having AP and Chester Taylor wouldnt be a better option.


Favre would have Berrian, Rice, Harvin, Shancoe, AP, Taylor.. plenty of weapons to use and a very nice offensive line to go with that. Favre's always been a very good play action passer which is also another reason he might fit in really well with the Vikings due to their awesome run game. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikes still dont make a run at another WR (Boldin, Ocho Cinco, Braylon Edwards) if they got Favre.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm expecting Sidney Rice to take the next step for them this year. I thought he would last year, but I think he may have been dinged up.

[Pacopete4]

I'm expecting Sidney Rice to take the next step for them this year. I thought he would last year, but I think he may have been dinged up.

ya that kid has some serious talent. I just wonder if the offensive game plan didnt really include him, and I've heard hes been dinged up as well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ya that kid has some serious talent. I just wonder if the offensive game plan didnt really include him, and I've heard hes been dinged up as well.

I'm not sure what to make of Rice. He could be a Robert Ferguson type tease. I liked him coming out of college, but his speed isn't as good as I thought (of course, he was dinged up a bit last year). He seems to be mostly a red-zone target. Of course, Cris Carter didn't have deep speed either, but carved out a great career. They don't make many like Carter though.