Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”

[PackerBlues]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Here we go again. So I'm not a Packer fan because I could care less that Favre Might come out of retirement to play for the Vikings.

Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

And again, pure speculation on your part. If Favre has the desire to come back to the NFL as a starting QB, and the Packers certainly do not want him, I can think of far more reasons for him to join the Vikings, than your simple excuse of "Favre hates Thompson and wants to get back at him." (Great Defense and a HOF RB for starters.)

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others. Personally, I simply feel that if Favre decides to come back, then so be it. I do not wish ill of him for his decision and am disgusted by the people who do.
The players and the coaching staff get paid to beat the competition. If they were to lose to a Favre led Vikings team, then I guess that just means that they are not doing their jobs as good as the players and the coaching staff of the Vikings. Its that damned simple. No need to make a soap opera out of it by crying about how unfair it would be to the Packers if Favre came back.

[cpk1994]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment. Your #1 desire is to see the Packers win football games. One of the greatest players that ever donned the jersey of the team you support is now on record saying that he'd like nothing more than to stick it to the team you support. For Favre to get his wish, that means the Packers will inevitably lose football games. Do you see where I'm coming from now? The Packers success as a football team is far more important to me than Favre's success as an individual. I would much rather see Green Bay beat Minnesota twice every season, regardless who their quarterback is.

Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

If you had a beef with your boss at work, would you try to undermine the success of every employee at your place of business just to get even with one guy you have a problem with there? Even if you had friends who still worked for that company, who would inevitably be hurt by your crusade against said company? No, that would be petty. Most people would not take their anger with their boss to that extreme, and if they did, they would be looked down upon as being petty and vindictive.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

If Favre were to comeback with the Vikes and beat the Packers twice, what exactly is he "sticking" to TT? TT has never doubted the abilites of Favre the player. TT will still be confortable with his guy, who became just the second player in NFL history(Kurt Warner was the other) to throw for over 4000 yards in his first year as a starter. TT doesn't regret his decision. Never will. He probably regrets how it played out, but not the decision itself. TT felt it was in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers to move on. Every thing TT does is what he considers to be in the TEAM's best interest. That is his job. Its too bad that Favre and some of his supporters are too petty to understand that.

That said, Favre wanting to "stick" it to TT so bad could end up making the Vikigs worse WITH him than without him. Childress needs to really take that pettiness seriously as he and Zygi decide what they are going to do.

[Zool]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

[PackerBlues]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too.

Drama Queens.

[ThunderDan]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too.

Drama Queens.

And you don't bash the people who chose TT's side over Favre's.

[cpk1994]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too.

Drama Queens.

But you want Favre to beat the Packers even more. That is the problem people are having with you and one you can't seem to grasp.

[Gunakor]

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Here we go again. So I'm not a Packer fan because I could care less that Favre Might come out of retirement to play for the Vikings.

Again, what I think is petty is that Favre wants so badly to stick it to the our GM that he'd try to ruin the chances of success not only for that GM, but for the entire organization and everyone associated with it. That means the GM, the board, the President, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans. All to get back at one person. It's not because he's the QB of another football team that this irks me, it's that this is the sole reason for him coming back to QB any team, Vikings or otherwise. Football aside, his intentions, his goals, his every reason for coming back is to hurt the Packers.

And again, pure speculation on your part. If Favre has the desire to come back to the NFL as a starting QB, and the Packers certainly do not want him, I can think of far more reasons for him to join the Vikings, than your simple excuse of "Favre hates Thompson and wants to get back at him." (Great Defense and a HOF RB for starters.)

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be ranting on and on like this with someone who can't look at this situation from a Packers perspective. I realize we'll never come to agreement on this issue, because we are fans of different entities. I wish success for the Packers, even if it means failure for Favre. You wish success for Favre, even if it means failure for the Packers. Which means there's no coming together on this issue. What's the point?

Again, you seem to think of yourself as a superior fan, because of our differing opinions. I guess some people just like looking for excuses to look down their noses at others. Personally, I simply feel that if Favre decides to come back, then so be it. I do not wish ill of him for his decision and am disgusted by the people who do.
The players and the coaching staff get paid to beat the competition. If they were to lose to a Favre led Vikings team, then I guess that just means that they are not doing their jobs as good as the players and the coaching staff of the Vikings. Its that damned simple. No need to make a soap opera out of it by crying about how unfair it would be to the Packers if Favre came back.

I have tried very hard to remain civil in discussing this, because too many Favre threads went south just like you are doing to this one. This is the BIGGEST REASON why I want Favre to disappear.

First, I never claimed to be a superior fan. I said I was a fan of a different entitiy than you. Different, not better. So let's discuss this topic on it's own before I get into the rest of your post. First, it could be reasonably expected of any fan who supports the Packers that they'd wish success for that franchise. Are we in agreement so far? Good. Now, you have a player - doesn't have to be Favre, could be anybody - that wishes to beat the Packers. Wants to make a point of beating the Packers. How can any true Packer fan support a player who wants to make a point of beating the Packers? I felt the same way about Darren Sharper when he became a Viking - exactly the same. But since Sharper didn't receive nearly the publicity that Favre is getting, there weren't 100 threads dedicated to him being a Viking.

This is why I feel as though we are fans of different entities. You seem to support Favre so strongly that IF he were to play for the Vikings this year, when the Packers and Vikings play each other you would root for Favre and the Vikings to beat the Packers. It's hard to look at someone who seems to have that point of view as a Packer fan. I don't mean to imply that you are less a fan than I simply because you root for someone I don't root for. Just that you are a different fan than I, who supports things I do not support, and who doesn't seem to support those things I do support. That makes us different, no?

As far as his reasons for coming back, I can admit that of course there's more to it than just wanting to stick it to Thompson. But, the fact remains - and he has admitted as much - that is a pretty driving force in his desire to return. We can disagree all you want, but it's pure speculation on your part that my statement is false. You are no more sure of your stance than I am of mine. But facts are facts - Favre has said things that hurt his case if he's trying to convince anyone that isn't the biggest motivator. Certainly you can understand why one would interpret his statements the way I have. Are there far more - and even far greater - reasons for him to want to return? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that those are the reasons for HIM to want to return. And he's made statements that would back my stance on the issue. To be honest, your stance on this issue is the more speculative of the two, since he's made no recent statements to contridict his prior ones. I have facts to back up my feelings, you have speculation. It doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, but that's why I feel the way I do. It's an explaination, not a criticism.

No need to make a soap opera out of it by crying about how unfair it would be to the Packers if Favre came back.

LOL at accusing the fans of creating the soap opera...

[Gunakor]

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Just so that I understand where you are coming from PB, answer this question for me. If Favre were to be the starting quarterback for the Vikings this year, who or what would you root for when the Packers play the Vikings?

[AV David]

I have deep Wisconsin roots but have been living in suburban Minneapolis for 24 years. (One benefit is it's a lot easier to get Packer tickets here.)
I liked BF from the time of that first touch down pass to Kittrick Taylor. I began to develop a respect for him as a person. I viewed him as a talented, down to earth guy who had an interesting personality and would do anything to win. I was happy he overcome the Vicodin addiction in 1996, even before he topped off the year by winning the Super Bowl. I thought his work ethic was tremendous. I thought his desire to have fun was refreshing. I bought #4 jerseys for my daughter.

I began hearing rumors of arrogance and generally acting like a prima dona about 5 years ago. I pretty much dismissed them. I thought it odd when he treated A Rod with barely concealed contempt in 2005. I gave him a mulligan. I was a bit put off by the news he demanded his own private dressing room. (another mulligan) In 2006 and again in 2007 I didn't believe the reports BF was put out because the Packers didn't want him back "badly enough". (Translation: "No body sucked up to me enough.")

When the fiasco began last April/May, I couldn't believe he sent his wife and his mother out to shill for him and generally complain publicly. That is when I began to think I had misjudged his character. At that point, the bloom was off the rose, at least a little bit. I was further disappointed with the classless and manipulative way he acted last summer, but I nonetheless found myself watching Jet games. I was hoping he could pad his TD lead over Peyton Manning.

I strongly believe BF had, and indeed initiated, improper communication with the Vikings last summer and then lied about it. (See also: Darrel Bevel) It was eye opening when he threw his ostensible "friend" James Campen under the bus last year. I became convinced his real character was not as it appeared when he called up the Lions last year. Leaving aside his feelings for TT, what about all his Packer teammates and friends? (See: Donald Driver) I began to consider whether his retirements were really just a way to avoid working out in the off season. If so, that would be the greatest indictment of this "selfless competitor" image.

The final straw is this visceral hatred that he cannot get over. Even petulant children stop throwing the same tantrum eventually. That he is so self absorbed and without loyalty says more about his character than all the PR spin over the last 18 years.

I will give him talent and toughness. However, I wouldn't walk across the street to shake his hand.

[ThunderDan]

I admit that I didnt read completely through this thread.......I just glanced through most of the posts after the name calling started.

So let me get this straight, sounds like quite a few of you don't want Favre to play in a Vikings Uninform. It also seems like the majority of the people that dont want to see Favre in a Vikings uniform, are the same people that couldn't wait to see Rogers take over as the starting QB for the Packers.

So many of you claim that Favre is washed up. Yet the Jets went 9-7 last year after Favre had roughly a month or so to learn the Offense, while GreenBay went 6-10 with Rogers at the helm......after Rogers had years to learn the system.

Favre's stats did not look to great, due in part to his bicep injury at the end of the season (and anyone who says Favre played like shit prior to the injury is full of shit themselves) Rogers stats on the other hand looked really good for a rookie QB in his first year.......due in part to playing from behind a lot, against prevent defenses.

Personally, I dont think Favre will try to come back with the Vikings. I could really care less if he did though. If he still has gas in the tank, let him play. The people crying and whining about it the most are the same dipshits that couldnt wait for Favre to leave Greenbay in the first place.
Whats wrong ladies? Afraid Favre and the Vikes would kick Greenbays ass this season? To Funny!!!

I am not sure what games you were watching last year. The Packers were in every game but 2 last year. Rodgers saw very little prevent defense in the 4th quarter to pad his stats against.

Favre played on a run dominant team. They were 16th in total offense and 9th in running yardage. Favre played well but all the talk about MVP before his injury was crap.

Here are Favre's stats thru the his first 11 games.
245/347 2,461 yards 20td 13int 10.0 yards per completion, 7.09 ypa

Here are Rodgers's stat's thru 11 games:
228/359 2,599y 17td 9int 11.4 ypc, 7.24 ypa


How is one an MVP canidate, Pro Bowl QB and the other isn't? It's called reputation.

[cpk1994]

I have deep Wisconsin roots but have been living in suburban Minneapolis for 24 years. (One benefit is it's a lot easier to get Packer tickets here.)
I liked BF from the time of that first touch down pass to Kittrick Taylor. I began to develop a respect for him as a person. I viewed him as a talented, down to earth guy who had an interesting personality and would do anything to win. I was happy he overcome the Vicodin addiction in 1996, even before he topped off the year by winning the Super Bowl. I thought his work ethic was tremendous. I thought his desire to have fun was refreshing. I bought #4 jerseys for my daughter.

I began hearing rumors of arrogance and generally acting like a prima dona about 5 years ago. I pretty much dismissed them. I thought it odd when he treated A Rod with barely concealed contempt in 2005. I gave him a mulligan. I was a bit put off by the news he demanded his own private dressing room. (another mulligan) In 2006 and again in 2007 I didn't believe the reports BF was put out because the Packers didn't want him back "badly enough". (Translation: "No body sucked up to me enough.")

When the fiasco began last April/May, I couldn't believe he sent his wife and his mother out to shill for him and generally complain publicly. That is when I began to think I had misjudged his character. At that point, the bloom was off the rose, at least a little bit. I was further disappointed with the classless and manipulative way he acted last summer, but I nonetheless found myself watching Jet games. I was hoping he could pad his TD lead over Peyton Manning.

I strongly believe BF had, and indeed initiated, improper communication with the Vikings last summer and then lied about it. (See also: Darrel Bevel) It was eye opening when he threw his ostensible "friend" James Campen under the bus last year. I became convinced his real character was not as it appeared when he called up the Lions last year. Leaving aside his feelings for TT, what about all his Packer teammates and friends? (See: Donald Driver) I began to consider whether his retirements were really just a way to avoid working out in the off season. If so, that would be the greatest indictment of this "selfless competitor" image.

The final straw is this visceral hatred that he cannot get over. Even petulant children stop throwing the same tantrum eventually. That he is so self absorbed and without loyalty says more about his character than all the PR spin over the last 18 years.

I will give him talent and toughness. However, I wouldn't walk across the street to shake his hand.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

[PackerBlues]

Its not any of that PB. Its that you would take some sort of pleasure in the Packers losing. That what irks everyone who you choose to spit in the face of.

Spit in the face of? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! poor guy.

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Every year, there is some drama involving Favre. Some bash him, others defend him. When others defend him, guys like you bash them too.



Drama Queens.

But you want Favre to beat the Packers even more. That is the problem people are having with you and one you can't seem to grasp.

Cant seem to grasp it? Perhaps its because I never said it. If I laugh at those of you who cry about Favre possibly playing for the Vikes, its because I understand that the Packers have 14 other games to worry about besides the two games against the Vikings.
If the Packers cannot put together a winning record, or if they miss the playoffs, I will be just as bummed as the rest of you, but I wont be blaming Favre for it.
I think thats where you guys have the problem. You are already coming up with hypothetical situations in wich the Packers might have a losing season, and you already have your scapegoat picked out........ A guy who might not even come out of retirement. But you all just keep eating up those rumors, lol.

On the other hand, if the Packers do have a losing season..... You can fully expect for me to "spit in your face" with my opinions on Thompson and MM.

I have said it before though, and I will say it again. I think that the Hiring of Dom Capers was brilliant, and that he will give the Packers what they lacked last year......a playoff Calibur Defense. I really dont understand why so many of you are so concerned about Favre, when the team (at least on paper) seems like it should have improved considerably over last years team.

[PackerBlues]

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Just so that I understand where you are coming from PB, answer this question for me. If Favre were to be the starting quarterback for the Vikings this year, who or what would you root for when the Packers play the Vikings?

Just so that you will understand where I am coming from Gunakor, I will in fact answer your question, lol.

First, I would be rooting for a Packers win. Secondly, I would be rooting for a strong show by our Defense, because I am pumped about what I feel Capers brings to the Packers.
Now to disapoint you, because I do in fact still love Brett Favre and everything that he has done for the Packers and the community in Wisconsin. I would hope that Favre would have a good showing. I am not saying I want him and the Vikings to win, I just would want Favre to have a good game that he could be proud of. Its just that damned simple.

Is it that far fetched that a guy could be a Packer fan, yet still care about how Favre does? Honestly??

[Gunakor]

Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll spell it out for you. It's not that I fear Favre the football player. I don't think he'd find a whole helluva lot of success against our secondary anyway. That's not it at all. I don't even have a problem with Favre's desire to stick it to Thompson, as long as that battle is fought between just the two of them and doesn't affect the 53 players currently on our roster (who had nothing to do with the decision to move on). It is the method in which Favre wants to get back at Thompson that irks me.

Favre's desired method of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers - which means if I were to support Favre's crusade against Thompson, I'd have to support his desire to beat the Packers. I can't do that. Furthermore, as a Packer fan, I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season, wether they have Favre as their QB or not. It's not specific to the two games they play against us. If Favre becomes a Viking, it's hard not to wish ultimate failure for him because that would be in the best interest of the Packers. I wish ultimate failure for every single player that dons a Vikings uniform this season, same as last year and the year before.

If Brett stays retired, I wish him all the best in his retirement. I can't wait until August 2014, when I'll be just as excited as anyone to see him standing next to his bust in Canton. I haven't forgotten all of the things he did for this franchise over a decade and a half. I was his biggest supporter over that time - there are many posters here that can attest to that. But I can't support his desire to get even with Green Bay, and that's the point I have been trying to make. Whether he was treated unfairly by Thompson or not doesn't matter, because his getting even would affect more than just Thompson.

It's not his play that turns me off, it's his attitude. He has a golden opportunity to change that image that many people - not just me - now have of him. He can let the wounds heal. He can let bygones be bygones, just as you have asked us to do. He doesn't have to get revenge on the franchise that made him the HOF quarterback that he is. He can just walk away knowing that he's accomplished everything there is to accomplish in one's career, because that would be in the best interest of everyone involved in this saga.

In future responses, PB, might I ask that you refrain from the name calling, the insults, and the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll looking to start trouble. There is a basis behind our feelings too. Try to understand where we are coming from. Honestly, I do understand where you are coming from too. I do believe that people should be able to make their own choices, and that if Favre can still play he should be allowed to as long as he has someone to play for. That's the football side. It's the other side that most of us are concerned with - the side where Favre says "I want to beat the Packers." I can't support him for that reason alone.

The Packers did a lot for him during his time here. It wasn't a one way street where Favre did for us and we didn't do for him. For that reason, I'd hope that if he came back that beating the Packers wasn't on the top of his priority list. It's not the fact he wants to play again (allegedly), it's the reason why. Pure speculation, of course, but not exactly baseless speculation. There is some truth to it. Again, I understand his beef with Thompson, but getting even shouldn't include getting even with Donald Driver, Nick Barnett, Al Harris, etc. That's where my problem lies. Try to understand it from that perspective, and you might find my perspective completely reasonable.

[ThunderDan]

Favre's desired method of getting back at Thompson is to beat the Packers - which means if I were to support Favre's crusade against Thompson, I'd have to support his desire to beat the Packers. I can't do that. Furthermore, as a Packer fan, I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season, wether they have Favre as their QB or not. It's not specific to the two games they play against us. If Favre becomes a Viking, it's hard not to wish ultimate failure for him because that would be in the best interest of the Packers. I wish ultimate failure for every single player that dons a Vikings uniform this season, same as last year and the year before.

Let's not be totally crazy. Sometimes I hope the Vikings beat the Bears if it helps our playoff position.