Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”

[Gunakor]

I want the Packers to win just as much as you do Zool. Its every other topic having to do with the Packers that we seem to disagree on. I suppose its easier for you to simplify your side of any argument by claiming to be a better fan than anyone that disagrees with you.

Just so that I understand where you are coming from PB, answer this question for me. If Favre were to be the starting quarterback for the Vikings this year, who or what would you root for when the Packers play the Vikings?

Just so that you will understand where I am coming from Gunakor, I will in fact answer your question, lol.

First, I would be rooting for a Packers win. Secondly, I would be rooting for a strong show by our Defense, because I am pumped about what I feel Capers brings to the Packers.
Now to disapoint you, because I do in fact still love Brett Favre and everything that he has done for the Packers and the community in Wisconsin. I would hope that Favre would have a good showing. I am not saying I want him and the Vikings to win, I just would want Favre to have a good game that he could be proud of. Its just that damned simple.

Is it that far fetched that a guy could be a Packer fan, yet still care about how Favre does? Honestly??

No, you can be a Packer fan and a Favre fan at the same time. I don't get on people for that. Here's where my issue lies - if you support Favre the Viking, does that also mean you support the Vikings? I mean, the 14 games that they play against teams that aren't from Green Bay - even if Favre were the Vikings QB, I'd still hope they lose all 16 of their games. Not because of Favre, but because I'm a Packer fan and they are the Vikings.

Again, I completely understand you wanting to support a guy who has done so much for this team and this community. But also understand that this team and this community have done just as much for him, and then question why Favre is so insistent on getting even. They left on even terms IMO. Favre gave 16 years of excellent service to the team and the community, and the team and community gave 16 years of excellent service back to him. It should have been that simple.

[LP]

Yes...I've been thinking that IF Favre comes back and signs with the Vikes, that after years of Vikes fans having their hearts broken by Brett Favre, it could happen all over again, except this time he might break their hearts while wearing a purple jersey...

For me, this would be absolutely fantastic. It just doesn't get much better than breaking Viking hearts. And for a former Packer great to go undercover and do it from within? That's just too delicious to consider!

[PackerBlues]

In future responses, PB, might I ask that you refrain from the name calling, the insults, and the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll looking to start trouble. There is a basis behind our feelings too. Try to understand where we are coming from. Honestly, I do understand where you are coming from too. I do believe that people should be able to make their own choices, and that if Favre can still play he should be allowed to as long as he has someone to play for. That's the football side. It's the other side that most of us are concerned with - the side where Favre says "I want to beat the Packers." I can't support him for that reason alone.

In future responses Gunakor, might I ask that you refrain from being such a condescending pric?

PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation.

What are you insinuating there Gunakor? That I am to stupid to see your point of view?

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Again with the condescending attitude. Im not a Packer fan because I dont agree with you?

I have tried very hard to remain civil in discussing this, because too many Favre threads went south just like you are doing to this one.

Way to take the high road buddy. But I have news for you, this thread "went south" the second it was started. (I mean really, “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”?????)
Just like any other thread that involves bashing Favre or Thompson, it was bound to get heated, and the name calling started long before I put my two cents worth in. But way to try to turn it all around on me. Im such a bad guy.

Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll spell it out for you.

Back to being condescending. Who was being insulting to whom?

[Zool]

Thank God you got your account reactivated. I almost forgot how much think of yourself.

[Gunakor]

In future responses, PB, might I ask that you refrain from the name calling, the insults, and the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is just a troll looking to start trouble. There is a basis behind our feelings too. Try to understand where we are coming from. Honestly, I do understand where you are coming from too. I do believe that people should be able to make their own choices, and that if Favre can still play he should be allowed to as long as he has someone to play for. That's the football side. It's the other side that most of us are concerned with - the side where Favre says "I want to beat the Packers." I can't support him for that reason alone.

In future responses Gunakor, might I ask that you refrain from being such a condescending pric?

What is so condescending about this statement? All I asked you to do was to try and see things from my perspective before lashing out at me, and then explained that perspective so you could try to better understand it.

PackerBlues, there's something you haven't quite wrapped your mind around regarding this whole situation.

What are you insinuating there Gunakor? That I am to stupid to see your point of view?

No, not that you are incapable of seeing things from my perspective. Only that you seemingly haven't tried to. I am only trying to get you to view the opposing viewpoint. Have you even considered it?

PB, put yourself in the shoes of a Packer fan for just a moment.

Again with the condescending attitude. Im not a Packer fan because I dont agree with you?

No, just that you don't seem to be a Packer fan because you continually suggest you would offer support to a division rival based on one of it's players. It's not a condesending attitude, you are simply interpreting it that way. The attitude is that of a Packer fan who does not want to see it's rivals have any success at all, regardless of whether or not one of our own greats is at the helm. Why is it so hard for you to have a debate without resorting to insults?

I have tried very hard to remain civil in discussing this, because too many Favre threads went south just like you are doing to this one.

Way to take the high road buddy. But I have news for you, this thread "went south" the second it was started. (I mean really, “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”?????)
Just like any other thread that involves bashing Favre or Thompson, it was bound to get heated, and the name calling started long before I put my two cents worth in. But way to try to turn it all around on me. Im such a bad guy.

You are the one who started flinging around insults. We were just debating Favre up to this point, but now I am here trying to defend myself from personal attacks from another poster. Maybe you don't realize, but taking the high road is what I and most of the other posters here have been trying to do. Perhaps you should do the same.

Maybe I wasn't clear, so I'll spell it out for you.

Back to being condescending. Who was being insulting to whom?

Well I said the same thing three times, each a different way, and you still haven't acknowledged an understanding of where I'm coming from. Realizing that it may have been me, I explained it in the clearest way possible, and prefaced that post with a statement that I was going to explain it in the clearest way possible.

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

[PackerBlues]

Thank God you got your account reactivated. I almost forgot how much think of yourself.

News to me. I never knew that my account had been de-activiated. (as if I care)

And please dont take this to personally Zool, but its not that I think so highly of myself, its more along the lines that I think so little of you.

To quote an unknown admin though: Let's stay on topic, no need to make it personal.

[Zool]

Again, i think nothing of you, so I couldnt take anything you say personally. You've made the list.

[Lurker64]

Is it too much to ask that anybody who habitually stirs up shit, actually contribute something positive to the forum now and again? I mean, there are a lot of good posters who stir up a lot of shit (JH, Partial), but they manage to contribute a lot of positive things to the forum etc.

There are more than a few people who just find themselves drawn to any Favre thread and immediately start laying on the acrimony, but are never seen contributing anything of note. What's with that?

[Scott Campbell]

But I have news for you, this thread "went south" the second it was started. (I mean really, “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”?????)
Just like any other thread that involves bashing Favre or Thompson, it was bound to get heated, and the name calling started long before I put my two cents worth in.

That headline was lifted word for word from PFT. It wasn't editorial comment by the OP.

I don't remember any personal insults prior to yours. And I've been pretty impressed by everyone elses efforts to keep themselves in check despite your ratcheting up the rhetoric and personal attacks. We've got a brand new Admin running this site. Why don't you cut the guy some slack? Live to fight another day.

[ThunderDan]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot harder than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Edited: harder

[AV David]

" I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season ..."


I have the same feelings for the Vikings, but I manifest them in a different way. I hope they go 8-8 every year. That is the path to self perpetuating mediocrity.

[PackerBlues]

Look, it appears that you are only trying to cause trouble here. I haven't once called you any names, I've only tried - repeatedly - to try and explain why I feel the way I do about the matter. Every response from you has been filled with anger, and you've tried each time to bait me into a hate filled argument I wish no part of. That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with these attacks.

Hmmmm. I went back through all of my posts in this thread, and other than using the word "Drama Queen" in a broad term, I cannot see that I attacked you even once prior to asking you not to be such a condescending pric. Show me where I called you any names or attacked you. While you are at it, show me where I said that I wanted a Favre led Vikings team to beat the Packers.

That you've interpreted each post as an attack on you personally is not my problem, just know that I meant no disrespect in any of them. So again, please, stop with the condescending attitude.

[Gunakor]

" I could not support the Vikings success even when they are not playing the Packers. I hope they get beat by everybody they play this season ..."


I have the same feelings for the Vikings, but I manifest them in a different way. I hope they go 8-8 every year. That is the path to self perpetuating mediocrity.

This is where my selfishness comes into play. I don't wish something so grand as mediocrity on the Vikings. I wish ultimate failure for them. If there's any team in the NFL I'd hope could break the Bucs all time losing streak...

[PackerBlues]

PB-

How about this scenario.

The Packers go 11-5 and beat the Vikings twice. The Vikings finish 12-4. Because Favre "lead" the Vikings to all of those wins against other teams he severly hurts the Packers. In this case the Packers would have to win 3 road games to make it to the Superbowl, that's a lot hard than winning 2 at home.

And before you say that is ridiculous look at the 2008 10-6 Pats.

Well, ok, lets play hypothetical situation. IF Favre were to come out of retirement, and he led the Vikings to a 12-4 record over the Packers 11-5 record, I would feel happy for Favre and disapointed in the Packers.

What is the big deal? Favre is not going to play for GB again, even if he wanted to. So who cares if he plays for another team, even the Vikings?
If Thompson, McCaurthy and Capers do their jobs, it should not be an issue. At all. May the best team win!

I think the main problem about my point of view on this, is simply that people in these forums know damned well that if this hypothetical situation happens, I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head. At the very least, I will be calling for McCaurthy's, as I didnt think to highly of him to begin with.
I think all of this is moot anyway since I am pretty damned sure that the Packers are going to have a winning season, due in large part to Capers coaching the Defense.

[Scott Campbell]

I am going to be one of the first people here calling for Thompson's head.

So how will we distinguish this "new" behavior from all your previous comments about Ted?