Favre to Vikings will not happen!

[Scott Campbell]

Wow - there are a lot of people who think that Favre orchestrated all this. While a good conspiracy theory - my thinking on Favre is that he acts like he plays - just wings it.

If it were just Favre, I'd agree with you. But when you add Bus Cook into the mix, then that opens up a whole new realm of possibilities. Bus has been the man behind the 3 ugliest QB divorces from teams in recent years - McNair in TN, Favre in GB, and Cutler in Denver. If I'm a QB looking to get out of town, I sure as hell know who I'm going to call.

[Scott Campbell]

However, if you truly believe that Favre orchestrated this - why hasn't he signed yet with the Vikings?

Maybe he really doesn't want to play, but wants to send Ted one more FU on the way out.

Except I don't think Ted cares anymore.

[cpk1994]

However, if you truly believe that Favre orchestrated this - why hasn't he signed yet with the Vikings?

Becuase Brett has this unending need to be wanted. He wants Childress to come down to Hattieburg and fellate him. Kiss his ass. Whatever it takes. REmember, he had a problem with TT and M3 supposedly not doing this.

[Patler]

Wow - there are a lot of people who think that Favre orchestrated all this. While a good conspiracy theory - my thinking on Favre is that he acts like he plays - just wings it.

I will agree that he was not happy with TT since he got here. Favre didn't like the slow and steady approach TT was taking, especially since it was slow and steady with rebuilding - and Favre knew he didn't have that much time. Combine that with a true "business approach", i.e. regardless of what Favre has done for the team, TT would not make any concessions for him, probably hurt his ego and contributed to ill-feelings.

At the end of his final year, I think TT and MM were sick of Favre's antics - knew they had a starter in Rogers - and told Favre they needed to plan for next year and needed to know whether he was going to come back. Favre didn't know at that time - and was probably pissed on being pushed so he retired. I am sure he thought he could come back right before training camp and all would be forgiven - but it wasn't.

At that time, he was so pissed, all he wanted to to was get back at TT - except TT held all the strings - so basically TT sent him to a poor, non-conference team - and I am sure Favre was not happy about that, but after bitching about wanting to play - he couldn't just say no.

This last year was probably very tough on Favre - he finally had an injury he couldn't play through - he had a huge learning curve with the offense - and he didn't have the foundation with the team.

After last year, I don't think that he felt he could do it again. Thus, the retirement.

Personally, I think the release was Bus Cook's doing. Bus saw another payday - and knew that if Favre had the option and could, would probably play for the Vikings.

However, if you truly believe that Favre orchestrated this - why hasn't he signed yet with the Vikings? I personally believe that Favre has not signed with the Vikings because of his shoulder. It is probably pretty bad and he wants to make sure it is good before he signs up. This is the biggest reasons why I don't think he asked for his release - why do so when you don't even know if you can play?

Just my thoughts.

I agree with Scott, Bus Cook is the one who orchestrated this. When referring to a player in team relationships, it goes without saying that his various advisers are also involved, some more than others. But if he is worth his salt, its all done to carry out the wishes of his client. Favre wanted out, Cook devised the plans to accomplish it.

Why hasn't Favre signed with the Vikings? Because he doesn't know if he can play or not; but I still think his intention has been to continue playing if he can, he just didn't want to do so again with the Jets. Thus, the "retirement" and a request for his release. If he didn't intend to play again if he could, why did he even ask for his release so soon after retiring? Some reports said he asked for it even before he retired.

I don't understand your statement that I highlighted. Are you suggesting that he didn't ask for a release from the Jets? I don't think there is any doubt about that, is there?

[RIPackerFan]

I think that Bus was behind it - not Favre - that was my thought.

Bus told Favre he would ask for his release - just in case - knowing that the Vikings would come a knocking and pique Favre's interest.

I don't necessarily disagree that Favre would not play for the Jets again - I think last year, he played because he was pissed at TT - and after that anger subsided after the season, he realized that the Jets were pretty far away from a SB and I don't think he's playing again unless there is a serious shot for a title.

[ThunderDan]

I think that Bus was behind it - not Favre - that was my thought.

Bus told Favre he would ask for his release - just in case - knowing that the Vikings would come a knocking and pique Favre's interest.

I don't necessarily disagree that Favre would not play for the Jets again - I think last year, he played because he was pissed at TT - and after that anger subsided after the season, he realized that the Jets were pretty far away from a SB and I don't think he's playing again unless there is a serious shot for a title.

How were the Jets far away from the SB last year? They were 8-3, one of the top temas in the AFC and had beaten the undefeated Titans. To me that sounds pretty damn close to a SB caliber team.

[Patler]

I think that Bus was behind it - not Favre - that was my thought.

Bus told Favre he would ask for his release - just in case - knowing that the Vikings would come a knocking and pique Favre's interest.

I don't necessarily disagree that Favre would not play for the Jets again - I think last year, he played because he was pissed at TT - and after that anger subsided after the season, he realized that the Jets were pretty far away from a SB and I don't think he's playing again unless there is a serious shot for a title.

I don't think Cook would have done anything unless Favre floated the idea of wanting to play. It would have originated with Favre saying something like, "I want to play again, if I can, but not for the Jets." To which Cook would have replied, "OK, this is what we will do......" I think the goal was Favre's, the procedure was Cook's.

[RIPackerFan]

ThunderDan - We'll see how close the Jets really are. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the Jets are closer to an 8-8 team than a SB team. We'll see how they do this year.

Patler - I don't think we are that far off from each other - I don't think Favre was like - "I want to play again" - but I could see a conversation with Bus in which Bus asked Favre if he would play again - and Favre saying "Not for the Jets, but maybe I would play for another team if my arm was better and I thought they would go far" - and Bus saying - "I'll get your release just in case".

I don't know.....if Favre really did all this to play for the Vikings - then why is it taking so long to sign with them? Don't tell me its because he wants to miss OTA, etc. - there is no doubt in my mind that the Vikings would let him skip them.

[Patler]

I don't know.....if Favre really did all this to play for the Vikings - then why is it taking so long to sign with them? Don't tell me its because he wants to miss OTA, etc. - there is no doubt in my mind that the Vikings would let him skip them.

I've said before, because of his arm. I think he wants to play, and he wants to play for the Vikings, but he isn't going to sign until he knows the arm is OK because he doesn't want to play the way he did at the end of '08. It might even be the Vikings who want to be sure of the arm. Why create a further QB controversy by signing a guy to be the starter, only to find out he can't throw and then have to go back to the guys you essential told weren't good enough?

Besides, I'm not so sure the Vikings would be all that accommodating to Favre for skipping all the off season stuff if he was actually signed. I sure wouldn't be for a new QB expected to take on a leadership role and be the starter.

[Zool]

Why create a further QB controversy by signing a guy to be the starter, only to find out he can't throw and then have to go back to the guys you essential told weren't good enough?

Didnt they pretty much do this already?

[sharpe1027]

I've said before, because of his arm. I think he wants to play, and he wants to play for the Vikings, but he isn't going to sign until he knows the arm is OK because he doesn't want to play the way he did at the end of '08. It might even be the Vikings who want to be sure of the arm. Why create a further QB controversy by signing a guy to be the starter, only to find out he can't throw and then have to go back to the guys you essential told weren't good enough?

Besides, I'm not so sure the Vikings would be all that accommodating to Favre for skipping all the off season stuff if he was actually signed. I sure wouldn't be for a new QB expected to take on a leadership role and be the starter.

Neither Favre nor the Vikings have motivation to sign while his shoulder is a question mark. The Vikings wouldn't pony up huge money for a guy that may not play a down and Favre would not want to sign for peanuts and then play a full season. IMO, there is no reason for either side to rush into it even if they both are otherwise sure of what they want.

[cpk1994]

Why create a further QB controversy by signing a guy to be the starter, only to find out he can't throw and then have to go back to the guys you essential told weren't good enough?

Didnt they pretty much do this already?

Yes, and judging by the tone of Sage's "No comment" on the situation", he is a pissed off guy.

[RashanGary]

Favre is a cancer at this point in his career. At least he's not our cancer. I hope he plays for the Vikings both for competitive reasons and for entertainment value. It's the best situation for a QB, but all it will end up doing is proving that Favre cant' cut it, even in the best situation.

[RIPackerFan]

As a Packer fan - I would much rather see Sage or T-Jack at QB for the Vikings than Favre. I'm not willing to bet the Ws that Favre will fold this year if he plays.

[Patler]

Why create a further QB controversy by signing a guy to be the starter, only to find out he can't throw and then have to go back to the guys you essential told weren't good enough?

Didnt they pretty much do this already?

Yes, and judging by the tone of Sage's "No comment" on the situation", he is a pissed off guy.

Sure, but if they never sign Favre they can tell SR and TJ that they thought about it, but were never as serious about it as the media implied, and in the end decided to stick with what they had. If they sign Favre, then he craps out in TC with a bad arm, they can never tell either SR or TJ that they really like them to be their starter. You, me and even the players involved may know the real reasons, but the egos of pro athletes are funny. They are easily hurt and sometimes easily bolstered.

Heck, Favre had talked about retiring for years, had no reason to fear for his job at the time, yet still was insulted when the Packers drafted Rodgers.