Favre to Vikings will not happen!

[Harlan Huckleby]

apparently myself and Flash have crossed the line Rats. So where out. Best of luck to you all and no matter what remember it's about the Packers and being a Green bay Packer fan.

God bless and take care.

huh? What are you talking about, you can't leave after just 16 posts and a little scuffle. You have to cross the line at least 10 times before you consider leaving. And then you have to give a far better exit speech than that, something like, "Old Posters never die, they just fade away."

[CaptainD]

apparently myself and Flash have crossed the line Rats. So where out. Best of luck to you all and no matter what remember it's about the Packers and being a Green bay Packer fan.

God bless and take care.

huh? What are you talking about, you can't leave after just 16 posts and a little scuffle. You have to cross the line at least 10 times before you consider leaving. And then you have to give a far better exit speech than that, something like, "Old Posters never die, they just fade away."

Don't ask us talk with the man in charge. Where too aggressive and are starting "personal attacks" . Some thin skinned folks here.
Thanks but where going back from winch we came( waiting for applause from the Favre crowd).
Any of you guys get bored stop by the HQ forum and we will buy ya a beer have a good laugh. adios rats !

[Rastak]

I just don't see a retired (twice), injured almost 40-year old QB coming back (again) for any reason but revenge--It's not like there are rumors swirling around about Oakland or Seattle...but you're right. If there were Seattle rumors and it was truly about love of the game, I could get behind it. This Vikings crap is just foolishness.

I have to completely disagree. Here is a team that won it's division and has a good defense and a solid running game. A team that throws the ball less than 30 times a game......why would you think it's foolishness? It's the perfect fit for the guy, from his perspective.

[MJZiggy]

I just don't see a retired (twice), injured almost 40-year old QB coming back (again) for any reason but revenge--It's not like there are rumors swirling around about Oakland or Seattle...but you're right. If there were Seattle rumors and it was truly about love of the game, I could get behind it. This Vikings crap is just foolishness.

I have to completely disagree. Here is a team that won it's division and has a good defense and a solid running game. A team that throws the ball less than 30 times a game......why would you think it's foolishness? It's the perfect fit for the guy, from his perspective.

Because we both know that he's not doing it for their defense or how many throws per game. He once said he wanted to play someplace warm and he's going to Minny? Come on!! He also said flat out that he's doing it for revenge, so what's his motivation mid-November after he's played both GB-Min games?

Besides, from a Viking perspective, his performance when he's trying too hard should make you a bit more worried than intrigued...

007, deciding to go with a young, dedicated QB who appears ready to take over the reigns after your vet QB retires is a business decision. Joining the enemy team for revenge is not a business decision.

[RIPackerFan]

I think Rastak is right on target here.

I truly believe that Favre thought he was done after last season - and then the Vikings came calling.

Now, if you think about it - the Vikings are the closest team to a SB without a QB. That would be enticing enough.

However - from an aging QB standpoint - he would be going to a team that has the best RB in the league - and thus, it would be a run-first, pass later game - easier on the arm. They also play in a dome - and if you look at their away games, only 2 are "cold-weather" games - another plus.

I think you add all those things together (along with getting the consecutive starts record, along with placing more distance between himself and Manning, and I think you have an option that anyone would think twice about.

And this isn't even taking into account sticking it to TT - which, I do believe it still a little bit of a factor (though not the main one -like others in this forum believe).

While it is the Vikings, which makes me ill, I personally don't think that Farve owes the Packers anything. Regardless of whose fault the split was - the split was irreversible - and once he was gone - he is a free agent - its just the business.

[th87]

I think Rastak is right on target here.

I truly believe that Favre thought he was done after last season - and then the Vikings came calling.

Maybe, but why would he ask for his release twice then?

[Patler]

I truly believe that Favre thought he was done after last season - and then the Vikings came calling.

Maybe...but I doubt it. He "retired" then requested a release. Retired players normally are not released, and normally don't request a release. They are simply moved to the retired list. Favre manipulated the Jets to get what he wanted last season, but couldn't force the Packers to give him, his outright release.

I think this has been brewing in Favre for a long time. Remember, he briefly asked to be traded after the 2006 season, according to the Biloxi newspaper.

My gut feeling from all that has happened in the last four years or so is that Favre has wanted out of GB for at least that long. I think both retirements were shams. I think he intended to continue his career after both, just not with the teams he "retired" from. His goal has been to play a few more years someplace other than GB, and now other than the Jets, too.

It may be a year too late for him though, depending on his shoulder.

[cpk1994]

I think Rastak is right on target here.

I truly believe that Favre thought he was done after last season - and then the Vikings came calling.

Now, if you think about it - the Vikings are the closest team to a SB without a QB. That would be enticing enough.

However - from an aging QB standpoint - he would be going to a team that has the best RB in the league - and thus, it would be a run-first, pass later game - easier on the arm. They also play in a dome - and if you look at their away games, only 2 are "cold-weather" games - another plus.

I think you add all those things together (along with getting the consecutive starts record, along with placing more distance between himself and Manning, and I think you have an option that anyone would think twice about.

And this isn't even taking into account sticking it to TT - which, I do believe it still a little bit of a factor (though not the main one -like others in this forum believe).

While it is the Vikings, which makes me ill, I personally don't think that Favre owes the Packers anything. Regardless of whose fault the split was - the split was irreversible - and once he was gone - he is a free agent - its just the business.

And the Packers wouldn't expect anything from him. TT did his job and made sure that he didn't improve another team in his division while he had an unproven, at the time, replacement.

[Fritz]

I asked a question about retirement and being released last week or so, and got my answer as to the differences and implications. Having learned about these two concepts, I must agree with Patler - one does not ask for a release if one is simply retired except for one of two reasons: so one can then be signed to a one-day contract and then "retire" as a member of a certain team, or so one can seek employment with another team.

There is little question which reason is Favre's.

I do wonder why he wanted to be traded after 2006. Didn't think the team was "ready" to compete? If that was so, then why retire after the 13-3 season of '07? It seems that possibly he just wanted to go play somewhere else. Not sure why.

[cpk1994]

I asked a question about retirement and being released last week or so, and got my answer as to the differences and implications. Having learned about these two concepts, I must agree with Patler - one does not ask for a release if one is simply retired except for one of two reasons: so one can then be signed to a one-day contract and then "retire" as a member of a certain team, or so one can seek employment with another team.

There is little question which reason is Favre's.

I do wonder why he wanted to be traded after 2006. Didn't think the team was "ready" to compete? If that was so, then why retire after the 13-3 season of '07? It seems that possibly he just wanted to go play somewhere else. Not sure why.

Could also be that Favre couldn't stand the fact that he couldn't walk all over Mike McCarthy like he could Mike Sherman.

[Scott Campbell]

I truly believe that Favre thought he was done after last season - and then the Vikings came calling.

Maybe...but I doubt it. He "retired" then requested a release. Retired players normally are not released, and normally don't request a release. They are simply moved to the retired list. Favre manipulated the Jets to get what he wanted last season, but couldn't force the Packers to give him, his outright release.

I think this has been brewing in Favre for a long time. Remember, he briefly asked to be traded after the 2006 season, according to the Biloxi newspaper.

My gut feeling from all that has happened in the last four years or so is that Favre has wanted out of GB for at least that long. I think both retirements were shams. I think he intended to continue his career after both, just not with the teams he "retired" from. His goal has been to play a few more years someplace other than GB, and now other than the Jets, too.

It may be a year too late for him though, depending on his shoulder.

I've had my suspicions about this as well. The real eye opener was the talk about un-retirement from last March. When he found out the Packers would welcome him back with open arms at that point, he quickly flopped back into the "no, I'm not coming back" position. And he told Ted, "don't bother coming by on your way to Florida". He wouldn't commit to un-retiring until after the Packers had fully committed to Rodgers for the 08 season.

I think the whole thing may have been carefully orchestrated by Bus Cook.

[Scott Campbell]

I do wonder why he wanted to be traded after 2006. Didn't think the team was "ready" to compete? If that was so, then why retire after the 13-3 season of '07? It seems that possibly he just wanted to go play somewhere else. Not sure why.

My theory is that his front office "advice" could have been rebuffed by Ted. The Randy Moss advice was public, but there may have been more private advice given prior to that. That might also help explain his bitterness towards Ted.

[gex]

I think Rastak is right on target here.

I truly believe that Favre thought he was done after last season - and then the Vikings came calling.

Now, if you think about it - the Vikings are the closest team to a SB without a QB. That would be enticing enough.

However - from an aging QB standpoint - he would be going to a team that has the best RB in the league - and thus, it would be a run-first, pass later game - easier on the arm. They also play in a dome - and if you look at their away games, only 2 are "cold-weather" games - another plus.

I think you add all those things together (along with getting the consecutive starts record, along with placing more distance between himself and Manning, and I think you have an option that anyone would think twice about.

And this isn't even taking into account sticking it to TT - which, I do believe it still a little bit of a factor (though not the main one -like others in this forum believe).

While it is the Vikings, which makes me ill, I personally don't think that Favre owes the Packers anything. Regardless of whose fault the split was - the split was irreversible - and once he was gone - he is a free agent - its just the business.

[cpk1994]

I do wonder why he wanted to be traded after 2006. Didn't think the team was "ready" to compete? If that was so, then why retire after the 13-3 season of '07? It seems that possibly he just wanted to go play somewhere else. Not sure why.

My theory is that his front office "advice" could have been rebuffed by Ted. The Randy Moss advice was public, but there may have been more private advice given prior to that. That might also help explain his bitterness towards Ted.

Remember there wa also Steve Mariucci not being considered, and aslo Brett's threat to retire if Mike Sherman was canned. It certainly adds credence to your theory.

[RIPackerFan]

Wow - there are a lot of people who think that Favre orchestrated all this. While a good conspiracy theory - my thinking on Favre is that he acts like he plays - just wings it.

I will agree that he was not happy with TT since he got here. Favre didn't like the slow and steady approach TT was taking, especially since it was slow and steady with rebuilding - and Favre knew he didn't have that much time. Combine that with a true "business approach", i.e. regardless of what Favre has done for the team, TT would not make any concessions for him, probably hurt his ego and contributed to ill-feelings.

At the end of his final year, I think TT and MM were sick of Favre's antics - knew they had a starter in Rogers - and told Favre they needed to plan for next year and needed to know whether he was going to come back. Favre didn't know at that time - and was probably pissed on being pushed so he retired. I am sure he thought he could come back right before training camp and all would be forgiven - but it wasn't.

At that time, he was so pissed, all he wanted to to was get back at TT - except TT held all the strings - so basically TT sent him to a poor, non-conference team - and I am sure Favre was not happy about that, but after bitching about wanting to play - he couldn't just say no.

This last year was probably very tough on Favre - he finally had an injury he couldn't play through - he had a huge learning curve with the offense - and he didn't have the foundation with the team.

After last year, I don't think that he felt he could do it again. Thus, the retirement.

Personally, I think the release was Bus Cook's doing. Bus saw another payday - and knew that if Favre had the option and could, would probably play for the Vikings.

However, if you truly believe that Favre orchestrated this - why hasn't he signed yet with the Vikings? I personally believe that Favre has not signed with the Vikings because of his shoulder. It is probably pretty bad and he wants to make sure it is good before he signs up. This is the biggest reasons why I don't think he asked for his release - why do so when you don't even know if you can play?

Just my thoughts.