VICK DA GREAT

[MichiganPackerFan]

One thing that really bothers me about suspensions in the NFL is that it seems if a player loses a game for a dirty hit, the usually end up missing the game against your rival. Therefore the hit hurts your team and the suspension can hurt your standings. I think it would be more fair if the team who absorbed the cheap shot chose when the player sat out.

[MOBB DEEP]

cant believe goddell is piling on the Vickster; its like "kicking a dead horse in the ground"

whose idea was it to give this cat SO much power anyway??

i agree with TO (cant blieve i said that) that the players union should step in and that other players around NFL should speak out!

FREE VICK DA GREAT

[Gunakor]

cant believe goddell is piling on the Vickster; its like "kicking a dead horse in the ground"

whose idea was it to give this cat SO much power anyway??

i agree with TO (cant blieve i said that) that the players union should step in and that other players around NFL should speak out!

FREE VICK DA GREAT

Why shouldn't Vick be suspended for a clear violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy? Why should the NFLPA speak out about it? 4 games for a felony conviction seems pretty light as a matter of fact. Others have gotten 4 games for FAR less serious violations than Vick.

No league discipline had even been determined much less handed down during his incarceration, it's only been determined following his release. They can't just sentence him to "time served" because he hasn't served any time for the NFL yet. If he were allowed to play in week 1 it would be akin to receiving no punishment whatsoever from the NFL. The NFL is not the US Justice system.

[pbmax]

Well, if its just the money as you seem to suggest, why not do as they did with Barnett and just fine them all the appropriate pay for the number of games, but just let them play?

Appearances. Even if fines are more effective, suspensions make better sound bites and news reports. No one believes that fines actually impact the player because they make so much money. And there is no website to do the math and proclaim the percentage of income involved.

And tradition. Back in the day, before astronomical salaries and bonuses, game checks were sufficient deterrents.

My guess is that Goodell, when or if this crops up, will mitigate the suspension based on the length of unavailability, then tack on games at the end. The time on IR won't count one for one, but some credit would be applied.

[Scott Campbell]

Who is going to sign this guy? It looks to me like it may take an injury for him to find his way onto a NFL roster this year.

[Gunakor]

Who is going to sign this guy? It looks to me like it may take an injury for him to find his way onto a NFL roster this year.

Imagine Vick in Miami lining up in the shotgun with Ronnie Brown on his right side and Ricky Williams on his left.

[pbmax]

No league discipline had even been determined much less handed down during his incarceration, it's only been determined following his release. They can't just sentence him to "time served" because he hasn't served any time for the NFL yet. If he were allowed to play in week 1 it would be akin to receiving no punishment whatsoever from the NFL. The NFL is not the US Justice system.

According to the explanations after the press release, Vick could be suspended anywhere from 0-5 games.

There is no reason for his time in jail not to count as part of his punishment from the league. They don't need to count it, but to exclude it as a rule is arbitrary. I think the punishment from the league should conform to the damage done to the league and team, and not be tied directly to the criminal justice system.

But the major issue here has so far been avoided. As every self-important crank that has called up Talk Radio in the last two years has pointed out, many people would be unable to return to their original place of work. The reason Vick can is not a matter of justice, but a matter of supply and demand. There are less than 40 people in the world that can do what Vick does. By comparison, there are large numbers or teachers, nurses, doctors and lawyers available.

If you were that valuable to your employer, they would find a way to bring you back.

[Gunakor]

No league discipline had even been determined much less handed down during his incarceration, it's only been determined following his release. They can't just sentence him to "time served" because he hasn't served any time for the NFL yet. If he were allowed to play in week 1 it would be akin to receiving no punishment whatsoever from the NFL. The NFL is not the US Justice system.

According to the explanations after the press release, Vick could be suspended anywhere from 0-5 games.

There is no reason for his time in jail not to count as part of his punishment from the league. They don't need to count it, but to exclude it as a rule is arbitrary. I think the punishment from the league should conform to the damage done to the league and team, and not be tied directly to the criminal justice system.

But the major issue here has so far been avoided. As every self-important crank that has called up Talk Radio in the last two years has pointed out, many people would be unable to return to their original place of work. The reason Vick can is not a matter of justice, but a matter of supply and demand. There are less than 40 people in the world that can do what Vick does. By comparison, there are large numbers or teachers, nurses, doctors and lawyers available.

If you were that valuable to your employer, they would find a way to bring you back.

4 games is awfully light for what he did, but if that's what the NFL decides is fair then that's what it should be. I don't agree, but it's not my league.

I just can't believe the people who think the NFL should turn a blind eye toward the deal and simply invite Vick back to play in week 1, as if nothing ever happened and Vick was just on a 2 year sabbatical. Vick broke the law, he went to prison. Vick violated league policy, and he should be suspended for it. 2 separate violations, 2 separate punishments. If Vick serves both punishments and fulfills his obligations both to the NFL and the United States, he absolutely should be afforded a second chance. I don't think the obligations were stiff enough, but again, it's not my league. It is what it is.

[Patler]

To me it is very simple. If an NFL suspension is justified, it should be applied when the player is otherwise available to play. Otherwise, the NFL has applied no suspension at all because the player will have played in all games in which he was available to play.

That's like a parent telling their kid he is grounded for a week, but since he was sick last week and didn't go anywhere, last week will count as the punishment. I'm not sure the kid would feel that his parents punished him at all.

[MOBB DEEP]

cant believe goddell is piling on the Vickster; its like "kicking a dead horse in the ground"

whose idea was it to give this cat SO much power anyway??

i agree with TO (cant blieve i said that) that the players union should step in and that other players around NFL should speak out!

FREE VICK DA GREAT

Why shouldn't Vick be suspended for a clear violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy? Why should the NFLPA speak out about it? 4 games for a felony conviction seems pretty light as a matter of fact. Others have gotten 4 games for FAR less serious violations than Vick.

No league discipline had even been determined much less handed down during his incarceration, it's only been determined following his release. They can't just sentence him to "time served" because he hasn't served any time for the NFL yet. If he were allowed to play in week 1 it would be akin to receiving no punishment whatsoever from the NFL. The NFL is not the US Justice system.

let me guess Gun, ure not a Vick fan??!!

there's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. no sane person would feel that vick got off EASY if he were allowed to play now

i think each case should be treated differently; others didnt spend 2 years in fed prison and/or suffer the same imaqe and financial backlash either

and wasnt he suspended indefintely BEFORE going to jail?

[MOBB DEEP]

There is no reason for his time in jail not to count as part of his punishment from the league. They don't need to count it, but to exclude it as a rule is arbitrary. I think the punishment from the league should conform to the damage done to the league and team, and not be tied directly to the criminal justice system.

But the major issue here has so far been avoided. As every self-important crank that has called up Talk Radio in the last two years has pointed out, many people would be unable to return to their original place of work. The reason Vick can is not a matter of justice, but a matter of supply and demand. There are less than 40 people in the world that can do what Vick does. By comparison, there are large numbers or teachers, nurses, doctors and lawyers available.

If you were that valuable to your employer, they would find a way to bring you back.

good post PB

[Gunakor]

cant believe goddell is piling on the Vickster; its like "kicking a dead horse in the ground"

whose idea was it to give this cat SO much power anyway??

i agree with TO (cant blieve i said that) that the players union should step in and that other players around NFL should speak out!

FREE VICK DA GREAT

Why shouldn't Vick be suspended for a clear violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy? Why should the NFLPA speak out about it? 4 games for a felony conviction seems pretty light as a matter of fact. Others have gotten 4 games for FAR less serious violations than Vick.

No league discipline had even been determined much less handed down during his incarceration, it's only been determined following his release. They can't just sentence him to "time served" because he hasn't served any time for the NFL yet. If he were allowed to play in week 1 it would be akin to receiving no punishment whatsoever from the NFL. The NFL is not the US Justice system.

let me guess Gun, ure not a Vick fan??!!

there's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. no sane person would feel that vick got off EASY if he were allowed to play now

i think each case should be treated differently; others didnt spend 2 years in fed prison and/or suffer the same imaqe and financial backlash either

and wasnt he suspended indefintely BEFORE going to jail?

Let me guess, you ARE a Vick fan?

You're right, he wouldn't have gotten off easy. But he wouldn't have gotten off easy had he not been an NFL quarterback, either.

Others didn't spend 2 years in a federal prison, which meant they were free to start their league discipline right away. Why do you feel so strongly that Vick's prison sentence should satisfy the NFL's position on the mater? He was in jail, how was he supposed to serve his punishment handed down by the NFL (which, again, hadn't even been determined yet)?

Yes he was suspended indefinitely before going to jail. But he was IN jail before the next season started, so he hasn't served a day of that indefinite suspension from league perspective. Unless you have convinced yourself that he was serving his prison sentence and his NFL suspension at the same time. I don't think that's fair at all, and I can't agree that should be allowed for anyone no matter what their name or occupation is.

[Scott Campbell]

The reason Vick can is not a matter of justice, but a matter of supply and demand. There are less than 40 people in the world that can do what Vick does. By comparison, there are large numbers or teachers, nurses, doctors and lawyers available.

If you were that valuable to your employer, they would find a way to bring you back.

Brian Griese wouldn't bring 5000 angry PETA protesters with him. And I'm not sure that Vick is better than Brian Griese.

[Patler]

Vick was suspended by the NFL only after he entered his guilty plea, and admitting that he funded the gambling part of the operation. That alone could have earned a lifetime ban for him. Don't forget, while awaiting sentencing, he also failed a drug test, testing positive for marijuana. Throw this on top of circumstantial situations of Vick's truck being used by men arrested for distributing marijuana, and a couple other situations alleged but not proven, I think the NFL is justified in a cautious approach to reinstatement.

[Pugger]

Who is going to sign this guy? It looks to me like it may take an injury for him to find his way onto a NFL roster this year.

My hubby jokingly said Vick should sign with Cleveland!

Dog fighting is repugnant but often there is more going on during these events than just the maiming and killing of dogs and that is why is it illegal along with cock fighting. Gambling and drug running is found when the police raid these operations. And you have to wonder about people who find these barbaric fights "entertaining" in the first place.

The NFLPA may not be saying much because Goodell might be doing what is in the collective bargaining agreement about suspensions of players breaking personal conduct codes and/or going to jail.