VICK DA GREAT

[Gunakor]

People think that his doing time in a federal prison was his paying his debt to society. That because he has been released, that means his debt has been paid.

False.

His prison term was not his making amends for what he did. It was merely serving his punishment. His release means he can just now start to make amends. Now is the time for him to START paying his debt to society.

(Sorry, I was listening to a talk radio segment concerning this issue a week or two ago and heard a caller state they thought Vick had repaid his debt to society by serving his prison term, and had come out with a clean slate - thus deserving of any second chances that anyone else would be afforded, NFL or otherwise. I disagree with this caller 100%, and just thought of it again just now seeing this thread brought back to the top.)

At what point was "making amends" part of his criminal sentence?

Well, it's not, I guess. I'd consider it part of his charge as a human being, but that's just me. If he chooses not to make amends, that's his choice. But he shouldn't expect much sympathy if he doesn't.

This is more speaking to the issue of people believing that when you go to prison, you are serving a debt owed to society. That when you are released, that means your debt has been paid. A significant portion of our society feels this way. I'd guess that anyone clammoring for Vick to get a second chance in the NFL feels this same way too.

That said, he did his time. He should be reinstated immediately. Any time you do time ... that's gotta be it.

No, that's not "it". All he did is serve his punishment. He did not earn any second chances just by doing his time. Spend a couple years actually making amends, making things right, and EARN your second chance. Don't just assume it's owed to you because you spend a year and a half in a federal prison.

[MOBB DEEP]

im envisioning vick da great backing up lord favre and running that wildcat o with a. peterson and p. harvin. whew...

with our weak linebackers it could be a long day "ALL DAY"!

dayum..

hey tt, GET PLAXICO...!!!

[Gunakor]

im envisioning vick da great backing up lord favre and running that wildcat o with "all day" and p. harvin.

Favre AND Vick? You don't think Favre alone is a big enough circus? And the Williamses legal battles on top of it? Poor bastards...

[MJZiggy]

Anything to screw up the Vikings...Can you IMAGINE the catfights over playing time?

[cpk1994]

Re: VICK DA GREAT

many ppl who probably want him banned for life do and have done worse things depending on one's moral compass.

Ah, yes. Most likely. Depending on one's moral compass.

But according to the law, most of us have not. Moral compass is irrelevant where the law is concerned. He spent a year and a half in a federal prison, something most of us who want him banned for life have not experienced. That means he fucked up way worse than we have, regardless of one's moral compass.

Ban him. Though, I don't think they'll have to. What team is in such dire need of an average QB with exceptional running ability that they'd put up with the amount of publicity that would come with it?

You need to remember that Al Davis is still running a football team. Also, any team that runs the wildcat could be real interested.

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man, i LOVE watchn vick perform fellas

except when sherman screwed us over by not game-planning for him properly in that playoff game

STILL stings

[Scott Campbell]

Re: VICK DA GREAT

now that he's released from prison hopefully he can get his life back in order and be given a chance to continue his career.

Florio wrote this at the end of his piece on Goodall's ruling on Stallworth yesterday:

"Wow.

Somewhere, Mike Vick and Plaxico Burress just peed a little."

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: VICK DA GREAT

now that he's released from prison hopefully he can get his life back in order and be given a chance to continue his career.

Florio wrote this at the end of his piece on Goodall's ruling on Stallworth yesterday:

"Wow.

Somewhere, Mike Vick and Plaxico Burress just peed a little."

he he.....

[MOBB DEEP]

my man FINALLY gonna be "free" tomorrow

clearly vick's conviction shed light on an activity that was/is strictly underground and amongst disenfranchised african-american folk who dont understand the barbarism

it was a black/urban thing and mike was the most popular person to get involved

i would LOVE to know what led him to invest in this atrocious endeavor...

alas, redemption song!

[Scott Campbell]

my man FINALLY gonna be "free" tomorrow

clearly vick's conviction shed light on an activity that was/is strictly underground and amongst disenfranchised african-american folk who dont understand the barbarism

it was a black/urban thing and mike was the most popular person to get involved

i would LOVE to know what led him to invest in this atrocious endeavor...

alas, redemption song!

I think there are lots of "disenfranchised african-american folk" who don't resort to killing and mutilating dogs just for the entertainment value of it. And it's certainly not just a black thing. The people who do this are just ordinary run of the mill assholes.

[Rastak]

my man FINALLY gonna be "free" tomorrow

clearly vick's conviction shed light on an activity that was/is strictly underground and amongst disenfranchised african-american folk who dont understand the barbarism

it was a black/urban thing and mike was the most popular person to get involved

i would LOVE to know what led him to invest in this atrocious endeavor...

alas, redemption song!

I think it may have been that he was an asshole to the core. Actually, I'm pretty sure. He didn't invest, he PARTICIPATED in it. He ADMITTED it.


Also, don't use a great tune by Bob Marley (Redemption Song) in the same sentence as a shithead like Vick.

I hope he can find gainful employment, somewhere far away from the NFL.

[MichiganPackerFan]

What Vick did was wrong. Obviously. But he has paid his debt. It is time to move forward. If he can find a job in the NFL, best of luck to him.

[Brando19]

What Vick did was wrong. Obviously. But he has paid his debt. It is time to move forward. If he can find a job in the NFL, best of luck to him.

Agreed...he did something absolutely sick and horrible...but he has paid for it. Hell...Stallworth got 24 days in jail for killing a man! WTF? Vick deserves another opportunity.

[Rastak]

What Vick did was wrong. Obviously. But he has paid his debt. It is time to move forward. If he can find a job in the NFL, best of luck to him.

Agreed...he did something absolutely sick and horrible...but he has paid for it. Hell...Stallworth got 24 days in jail for killing a man! WTF? Vick deserves another opportunity.

Stallworth got 24 days for being a dumbass for drinking and driving and having somebody run right in front of his car from what I have read regarding the video of the incident. The dude literally ran right out in front of his car.

Vick, on the other hand, with his free will tortured dogs. It was a business yet he found inventive ways to kill dogs, which makes one think he enjoyed it. I have no idea if he did or not but if it was strictly business, a lehtal injection would have sufficed.


Anyway, on to Mr. Vick's reinstatement. I personally would not count one day of his prison time toward his suspension. The guy could not have played ANYWAY! He was in the federal prison! He could not honor his contract. I would say his NFL punishment starts when he is eligible to actually play, which sounds like now.

My personal opinion is that I would suspend him for a year and re-evaluate him at the end of that time period to see if he is still a sociaopath.

One last note Brando, I was indeed just giving you some shit about West Virigina criminals in another thread....does seem like a rather high ratio but I have nothing against WV. From what I have heard, it is a very nice place although with a bit of a depressed economy.

[Rastak]

People think that his doing time in a federal prison was his paying his debt to society. That because he has been released, that means his debt has been paid.

False.

His prison term was not his making amends for what he did. It was merely serving his punishment. His release means he can just now start to make amends. Now is the time for him to START paying his debt to society.

(Sorry, I was listening to a talk radio segment concerning this issue a week or two ago and heard a caller state they thought Vick had repaid his debt to society by serving his prison term, and had come out with a clean slate - thus deserving of any second chances that anyone else would be afforded, NFL or otherwise. I disagree with this caller 100%, and just thought of it again just now seeing this thread brought back to the top.)

At what point was "making amends" part of his criminal sentence?

No where. It only comes into play when the NFL decides if they should take the dude back as an employee. Has nothing to do with his legal status but everything to do with his employment status.