Judge denies most of Vikings' Williamses' claims

[sharpe1027]

Has anyone here heard of a contractual weight clause? Money is a great motivator.

Have you heard of a contractual play-based-performance clauses? Money is a great motivator.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?

The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.

Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

I think the smart assed posts were a two-way street there Ras.

I am not sure how the NFL would ever prove a players intentions, so I fail to see the point of your argument.

If you want to play that type of a game, did the players prove that they didn't intend to use it as a masking agent. Better yet, did the players prove that their positive tests were for sure from Star Caps? For all we know, the Williams boys took the masking agent intentionally and then used Star Caps as a convenient excuse after-the-fact...

Has anyone here heard of a contractual weight clause? Money is a great motivator.

. They injested a substance which was illegal and suspendable for. Doens't matter what clause they have in their contracts. There are plenty of NFL approved ways to make weight. You are just making an excuse. I guess I shouldn't expect less from a Viking fan.

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

[Zool]

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU

[cpk1994]

Look, do you have to be a fucking dickhead all the time?

The product WASN"T labeled as containing a banned substance and couldn't legally contain it. It's an FDA regulated drug and the company went out of business when it came to light. If you were going to take a masking agent you do that, not a weight loss supplement secretly containing a banned substance. Use some common sense.


Not that having been said, I completely understand the argument for suspending them.

Now Scott, can we please discuss the issue without a hundred smart assed posts? You know God damn well that drug has many uses, and even the NFL never contended it was being used as a masking agent in this case, they merely stated it was banned and the players are fully responsible for what they put in their bodies, I guess either on purpose or being spiked with something.

I think the smart assed posts were a two-way street there Ras.

I am not sure how the NFL would ever prove a players intentions, so I fail to see the point of your argument.

If you want to play that type of a game, did the players prove that they didn't intend to use it as a masking agent. Better yet, did the players prove that their positive tests were for sure from Star Caps? For all we know, the Williams boys took the masking agent intentionally and then used Star Caps as a convenient excuse after-the-fact...

Has anyone here heard of a contractual weight clause? Money is a great motivator.

. They injested a substance which was illegal and suspendable for. Doens't matter what clause they have in their contracts. There are plenty of NFL approved ways to make weight. You are just making an excuse. I guess I shouldn't expect less from a Viking fan.

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

But it wan't on the ap[proved list either. If Fat and Kevin would have used substances on the approved list, they aren't in the position they are now, regardless of what the NFL did or did not tell them. Fat and Kevin need to take responsibilty for their actions and not try to blame eveyone else.

[RashanGary]

I agree. Suspend Fat and Kevin for the first 4 games

[sharpe1027]

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

Who is uninformed? Did you bother reading this thread or did you just skip all that pesky reading and decide to add your input since you know more than all Packer fans? Silly troll is silly.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

Who is uninformed? Did you bother reading this thread or did you just skip all that pesky reading and decide to add your input since you know more than all Packer fans? Silly troll is silly.

Right.... If you read the previous postings you would see that this arguement was initiated by the question of a weight clause.

Using a previously discussed fact to support a new argument is not being a troll.

[cpk1994]

I agree. Suspend Fat and Kevin for the first 4 games

We know. Just like the last 4 times you posted the exact same thing in this thread.

[sharpe1027]

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

Who is uninformed? Did you bother reading this thread or did you just skip all that pesky reading and decide to add your input since you know more than all Packer fans? Silly troll is silly.

Right.... If you read the previous postings you would see that this arguement was initiated by the question of a weight clause.

Using a previously discussed fact to support a new argument is not being a troll.

Calling someone uniformed and implying that all Packer fans are uniformed is a supporting fact? This subject was already discussed and frankly weight loss clauses don't give them an excuse to test positive.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Illegal and suspendable but not known to be in starcaps..... except by the NFL who told the NFLPA nothing about it except not to endorse it.

You are just uninformed. I guess I should'nt expect less from a Packer fan.

Who is uninformed? Did you bother reading this thread or did you just skip all that pesky reading and decide to add your input since you know more than all Packer fans? Silly troll is silly.

Right.... If you read the previous postings you would see that this arguement was initiated by the question of a weight clause.

Using a previously discussed fact to support a new argument is not being a troll.

Calling someone uniformed and implying that all Packer fans are uniformed is a supporting fact? This subject was already discussed and frankly weight loss clauses don't give them an excuse to test positive.

You are correct... that is a broad and incorrect accusation. I was saying that in response to his broad and incorrect accusation.

I apologize. Never a good option to stoop to the level of ignorance.

[sharpe1027]

You are correct... that is a broad and incorrect accusation. I was saying that in response to his broad and incorrect accusation.

I apologize. Never a good option to stoop to the level of ignorance.

Fair enough. I still say weight loss clauses are no excuse.

[SMACKTALKIE]

You are correct... that is a broad and incorrect accusation. I was saying that in response to his broad and incorrect accusation.

I apologize. Never a good option to stoop to the level of ignorance.

Fair enough. I still say weight loss clauses are no excuse.

But a reason to injest starcaps other than to mask an illegal substance.

I really don't believe they used roids. Viking fan or not.

[sharpe1027]

But a reason to injest starcaps other than to mask an illegal substance.

I really don't believe they used roids. Viking fan or not.

I don't know either way. I suspect that they tested positive because they were trying to mask something. What is was it that they were masking. IDK, probably Mary Jane.

Two players on the same team using a crappy women's weightloss supplement that just happens to be known to have the masking agent? You could be right, but I wouldn't feel too sure aobut it.

Besides, what evidence do you have that the reason they tested positive was actually because of Star Caps? Everyone that tested positive is going to claim they used it once the word got out about it.

[SMACKTALKIE]

But a reason to injest starcaps other than to mask an illegal substance.

I really don't believe they used roids. Viking fan or not.

I don't know either way. I suspect that they tested positive because they were trying to mask something. What is was it that they were masking. IDK, probably Mary Jane.

Two players on the same team using a crappy women's weightloss supplement that just happens to be known to have the masking agent? You could be right, but I wouldn't feel too sure aobut it.

Besides, what evidence do you have that the reason they tested positive was actually because of Star Caps? Everyone that tested positive is going to claim they used it once the word got out about it.

None. I don't know if anyone does. But a good reason for an NFL player to take starcaps is because they were labled "all natural" and did not list bumetanide, or any other banned substance as an ingredient.

Either way, there are enough questionable circumstances to warrant legal attention. Which may be a good reason to think they know it came from StarCaps.

[sharpe1027]

None. I don't know if anyone does. But a good reason for an NFL player to take starcaps is because they were labled "all natural" and did not list bumetanide, or any other banned substance as an ingredient.

Either way, there are enough questionable circumstances to warrant legal attention. Which may be a good reason to think they know it came from StarCaps.

Right or wrong, there is also enough money involved to warrant legal attention. They lost on every argument related to the StarCaps excuse...

From the decision:
"The (league's) policy is unequivocal: players are responsible for what is in their bodies, and inadvertent ingestion of a banned substance will not excuse a positive test result."

"Through the hot line, the NFL was attempting to tell players what they already knew: they should not take dietary supplements. NFL players are adults. They are warned repeatedly not to take dietary supplements and that such supplements may cause a positive test for a banned substance"