Favre: the man, the legend. Are we having fun yet?

[Bossman641]

I think it's shitty that he wants to stick it to the organization that made him. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. I've been the biggest Favre fan ever...but until he grows up...fuck him.

Don't fool yourself. He's "sticking it" to TT and no one else.

I hope he gets that one more super bowl ring that he had little to no chance of getting it here as long as TT had anything to say about it.

Yea, it was a real shame Favre never made it to OT of the NFC championship game with TT at the helm

Funny, how many winning seasons has TT had at the helm? Whats his record as GM?

Why don't you re-read what Numb was complaining about? Seems like Favre had quite the chance of getting another super bow ring, but he (along with others) blew the chance.

See the Favre bashers like to play this coin two ways, first they like to say that 2007 was lucky, lots of good breaks went the way of the Packers, and for Favre, then they flip and say well in 2008 the team could have made another run. Well which one is it, were they contenders with Favre in 2008 or because they had no Favre they were 6-10, well no because the defense was bad in 2008, Favre couldn't have won more than 6 games because the defense let them down so bad, I mean just look at Aaron Rodgers stats, how could you lose 10 games with stats like those!

So which way is it, would Favre and the Packers have made a run at the Super in 2008, or were they simply just a lucky team in 2007? If you and other were so sure that a Favre led Packers in 2008 would have found themselve playing for the possibility to make and win the Super Bowl why all the blame on Favre? Shouldn't he have been allowed to come back simply on the potential for a trip to a Super Bowl?

Going into 2008, the Packers would have been a contender. There was no possible way to know beforehand all the things that would go wrong in 2008 that had absolutely nothing to do with the offense. It wouldn't have mattered if they had Favre, Rodgers, or Jesus at QB. They still wouldn't have been able to do anything with the defense bleeding points.

As for whether Favre should have been allowed back based on the fact there was potential for a SB trip. That depends on whether you feel one player is bigger than the team (which I don't) and how much of a dropoff you believed the change from Favre to Rodgers would be (slim to none).

[PlantPage55]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

[Fritz]

I'm with Zig. The thought of Brett Favre having so many memorable years in Green Bay has been wonderful for me, and the thought of Brett Favre now possibly messing up the Vikings is simply delicious.

My opinion is that he's already causing some consternation for the Vikings - and he hasn't even signed with them yet!

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

[Gunakor]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

[Pacopete4]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

He answered you.. and might I say, its a great post Nutz!

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

[Gunakor]

My perspective has a lot to do with how Rodgers would have been handled if Favre were allowed to come back. Nowhere in Nutz' post do I see anything that has anything to do with that.

So I ask again, did Rodgers' - the hopeful future franchise QB and long term starter - ever enter into your perspective in dealing with the Favre saga?

[Deputy Nutz]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

Next time read through the thread before just quoting and responding, maybe you comment will have been answered already without your 2 cent response.

but I will look past that and respond to your Rodger questions. I really respected Rodgers through all of this. He was the one that stepped up and said he would compete for the starting job with Brett Favre. I respect his stats from this past season, better than what I thought. I have always liked Rodgers, but he realized when he was drafted it was to play behind Favre most likely for the duration of the time that Favre was in Green Bay. If it lasted his entire contract well then I am sure that he would have wanted to test the market.

[Gunakor]

How come there is no blame for Ted Thompson

Because Ted Thompson didn't do anything wrong in this Brett Favre situation. Not a single thing.

Really, from whose prospective? Your post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

From your perspective, what did Thompson do wrong? Did Thompson and the Packers owe it to Favre to let him change his mind about coming back even after months of preparations with Rodgers under center? Did the Packers owe it to Favre to let him come back even after the lashing they recieved through the media?

How about we look at it from the other perspective once. Did RODGERS owe it to Favre to hold a clipboard for him for another year, even after being named the starter and having prepared for months to be the starter for this offense? Did RODGERS owe it to the Packers to stick around and sign a contract extension with us even if he were Favre's backup for the duration of his rookie contract? Did we have a backup plan in case he decided his best opportunity was playing for someone else?

Would making it a top priority to appease Favre have been in the best long term interests of the franchise?

In your perspective, are any of these things even considered?

Next time read through the thread before just quoting and responding, maybe you comment will have been answered already without your 2 cent response.

but I will look past that and respond to your Rodger questions. I really respected Rodgers through all of this. He was the one that stepped up and said he would compete for the starting job with Brett Favre. I respect his stats from this past season, better than what I thought. I have always liked Rodgers, but he realized when he was drafted it was to play behind Favre most likely for the duration of the time that Favre was in Green Bay. If it lasted his entire contract well then I am sure that he would have wanted to test the market.

I remember him saying something to the effect that if Favre were the starter again last season for Green Bay he'd have wanted to look elsewhere for employment following this season. So we'd still be looking for Favre's replacement. Brohm? Flynn? Sanchez? Don't know, but it wouldn't have been Rodgers - and we'd be a couple years behind in development, regardless who it would be.

The point I guess I'm trying to make is that the Favre deal was as much about keeping Rodgers happy, seeing as how he's the future at the position. It just makes better sense in the long term.

From your earlier post, you suggest that Thompson owed it to Favre to bring in Moss, Mooch, etc. You are more than entitled to that opinion I suppose, but from my perspective Favre shouldn't be concerned with roster decisions or coaching decisions. He's a quarterback. Whoever is on the team, that's who he plays with. Whoever is the coach, that's who he answers to. Favre doesn't get to call those shots.

Now, Favre didn't like the choices made, and he was more than entitled to retire - which he did, if you recall. But he can't force a release or a trade to a team of his choosing - he's still property of the Green Bay Packers. Thompson tried to work with him to find a team to trade him to - but why would he trade Favre to a division rival, making it tougher to win in our own division? It had to be best for the Packers too, or Thompson wouldn't be doing his job very well. What's in the Packers best interest trumps what's in Favre's best interest (or any other individual player's best interest) every single time - I'd demand as much from our GM.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through.

You commented on the delay in getting the trade done. I find that amusing, to be quite honest. If you remember, Favre filed his reinstatement papers 3 whole days before he was traded. Why would Thompson trade the rights to Favre while Favre was still on the inactive/retired list? If you ask me, Thompson acted extremely fast there. He wasn't the one who dragged this one out, Favre was by not filing for reinstatement. Again, as soon as he filed, he was traded days later. Don't know how you can pin that one on Thompson.

[hoosier]

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

I don't think Brett needs much help from others in this department.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

I had a hard time following nutz's post until I fit it all on one screen and stared at it for ten minutes without blinking.

[Scott Campbell]

I find it funny that Favre continues to find franchises to hold hostage now that Green Bay has been freed from his flip flopping.

[swede]

How many more teams would He need to retire from to set a new NFL record?

It wouldn't hurt to hold another record, you know.

[cpk1994]

I agree with plantpage. There is zero good evidence that Thompson has done anything wrong. By all accounts he's a great man and a hard worker who's job puts him in the line of fire, sadly.

Brilliant! Thompson needs his nuts polished, get to work.

This post had very little in terms of thought and care, do better next time.

No, but seriously. Brett retired and Thompson AND McCarthy set in motion a plan to move on from there. Brett coming back was throwing a wrench into that plan and they did nothing wrong THAT WE KNOW OF (there, are you happy?) in the process of keeping their own plans going forward.

I think I even spelled a word wrong as well.

they did make mistakes, I think they blew the whole thing of Favre wanting to come back and play in April out of proportion, telling the media they had scheduled a flight from Atlanta from the owners meeting in Atlanta to meet with Favre to bring him back in the fold. I think this was total propaganda on their part, and Favre as well. He was embarrassed by this and this made him look wishy washy to everyone. When Favre made the decision in late June to play football he didn't make a statement or do anything until he met with the Packers, they are the ones that started the back and forth through the media when they released the time line of the Brett Favre retirement saga.

Going back further than that Thompson didn't handle Favre well. He never had to work with a player of Favre's magnitude, never in Seattle when he was Vice President of Player Personel, or any of his other jobs as a scout. Favre apparently was used to having his opinion validated by his other coaches or GMs. Thompson certainly isn't one to listen to opinions of his players, which is totally fine, but Favre gave his opinions and instead of Thompson nipping it in the bud, he acted liked he took what Favre had to say seriously, and then as soon as Favre left or hung up the phone he shut the book on it. Favre asked if Thompson was going to interview Mooch for the head coaching position, Thomspon said he was and will give it some more thought and it was a possibility, Favre worked for getting Randy Moss into Green Bay, he was willing to restuctrure his own contract, work through his agent to get Moss wililing to come to Green Bay. Thompson did look at trading for Moss, but in the end they thought they needed to lecture him, and ask him if he was going to be a "good boy". Favre took that as a slap in the face, why because Thompson should have just told Favre "hey, I respect you as a player Brett, but I gotta do my job, and it is my believe that it is just easier to do if I don't take opinions from players, I will do my best to surround you and the rest of the guys with as much talent as I can deliever, thats my job." It is my prospective that Thompson didn't do that.

Step foward now, Thompson and McCarthy told Favre, we can't use you in Green Bay, but we can't invision you playing anywhere else. That was the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard, Favre has the right to play football and not to be sat on by the front office of the Packers. I have no problems with the Packers moving on from Favre, but then they should have stepped up right away and said Brett we can't use you anymore, we moved on, but we will do our best to trade you as soon as possible, if that is what you want." They did just about everything they could not to have to move Favre they waited until the third week of training camp to make the trade, and Favre had to fly up to Green Bay at the end of the second week to make the trade go through. It was a touchy situation I understand that, but they decided to draw it out for the entire summer. It would have been easier on everyone if they would have gone ahead and just traded him in July, given him a list of teams and told him these are the teams we will be willing to trade you to, and these are the teams that have shown interest. They didn't they tried to play this thing out for as long as possible by sticking their head in the sand hoping Favre would just reconsider and go away. Hell they even offered him 20 million to stay put in Mississippi.

There is one gigantic hole in your synopsis. Favre didn't ask for reinstatement util almost August. IF Brett had signed his reinstatement papers in June when he supposedly first wanted to comeback, the PAckers would have been forced to do something then. You forget the Packers did n't have to do anything becuase Brett didn't sign the reinstatement papers make him STILL RETIRED. The Packers had no move to make until Brett actually came out of retirement. The Packers didn't drag it out. Brett did.

[cpk1994]

I find it funny that Favre continues to find franchises to hold hostage now that Green Bay has been freed from his flip flopping.

What do you expect from a drama queen and an attention whore?