Improve This Article: Reasons Packers Retreated To 6-10

[woodbuck27]

Why can't we just maybe decide if dumping Jon Ryan ( and doing so down to the end of TC last year ) was prudent? Look at him as a punter ( forget his nationality of origin) before he arrived as a Packer and his results in Seattle in 2008 NFL season.

I'll go first. I disagreed with the move to cut Jon Ryan as I felt his history and character exemplified him as a Green Bay Packer for years to come. His results in seattle back up my position.GO PACK GO!

For the record, I do think dumping Jon Ryan was a mistake... and I believe you are the one who has had a hard time forgetting his nationality of origin... no one else gives a damn where he came from.

falco your tone here is obviously strained. Just relax please. I suggest we leave the past in the past and here just be Packer fans.

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[Scott Campbell]

Why can't we just maybe decide if dumping Jon Ryan ( and doing so down to the end of TC last year ) was prudent? Look at him as a punter ( forget his nationality of origin) before he arrived as a Packer and his results in Seattle in 2008 NFL season.

I'll go first. I disagreed with the move to cut Jon Ryan as I felt his history and character exemplified him as a Green Bay Packer for years to come. His results in seattle back up my position.GO PACK GO!

For the record, I do think dumping Jon Ryan was a mistake... and I believe you are the one who has had a hard time forgetting his nationality of origin... no one else gives a damn where he came from.

I don't believe his nationality of origin should be held against him. I wouldn't care if he was from Chicago, as long as he can kick. I wonder if his getaway time has improved, or he's a blocked kick waiting to happen every time he touches the ball.

GO PACK GO!!!

[woodbuck27]

Why can't we just maybe decide if dumping Jon Ryan ( and doing so down to the end of TC last year ) was prudent? Look at him as a punter ( forget his nationality of origin) before he arrived as a Packer and his results in Seattle in 2008 NFL season.

I'll go first. I disagreed with the move to cut Jon Ryan as I felt his history and character exemplified him as a Green Bay Packer for years to come. His results in seattle back up my position.GO PACK GO!

For the record, I do think dumping Jon Ryan was a mistake... and I believe you are the one who has had a hard time forgetting his nationality of origin... no one else gives a damn where he came from.

I don't believe his nationality of origin should be held against him. I wouldn't care if he was from Chicago, as long as he can kick. I wonder if his getaway time has improved, or he's a blocked kick waiting to happen every time he touches the ball.

GO PACK GO!!!

I had prepared a splendid response to this post, and whoooshhh, it went off somewhere.

Scott. Do you like Canada better than Chicago? Chicago better than Minnesota?

Jon Ryan.

I don't imagine his nationality was a factor in his being cut. It simply was an error in terms of short term needs Scott. It's very hard to get a read on alot of things that happen with our team.

That's why we're here.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

His yardage in Seattle looked respectable. But the reasons for dumping Ryan were well chronicled. He out kicked his coverage, had a tortoise like get away time, lacked hang time, and couldn't reliably kick directionally.

The mistake wasn't in dumping him. The mistake was dumping him as late as they did, and without having an adequate replacement. It helped cost Stock his job. And it reflected very poorly on Thompson.

OK good. So Scott. In your final analysis Jon Ryan was simply a lousy punter in a Green Bay Packer uniform? He couldn't adapt his skills to the NFL style of game? Yet he's picked up right away and punts well with Seattle?

Just a thought here:

Alot of pressure on the coach's when the GM takes a hands off whatever is going on in the field approach or hides out alot. If I brought Jon Ryan in and saw he was growing and he was Scott. I'd have plenty to say before any ST coach dumped that man for nothing really to count on.

PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

I'm doing all I can to stay out of the gutter Woody.


So who the hell is going to be our punter this year? And why haven't we read anything about it yet?

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OK Scott.

[Scott Campbell]

I had prepared a splendid response to this post, and whoooshhh, it went off somewhere.

Off somewhere? You mean like to Harlan?

I'm confused.




I think Jon Ryan is in a better place now. The fans in Seattle seem to appreciate him more than we did.


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[Scott Campbell]

OK good. So Scott. In your final analysis Jon Ryan was simply a lousy punter in a Green Bay Packer uniform? He couldn't adapt his skills to the NFL style of game? Yet he's picked up right away and punts well with Seattle?

Just a thought here:

Alot of pressure on the coach's when the GM takes a hands off whatever is going on in the field approach or hides out alot. If I brought Jon Ryan in and saw he was growing and he was Scott. I'd have plenty to say before any ST coach dumped that man for nothing really to count on.

PACKERS!

A reasonable perspective.

I remember that after the move, Stock's comments made it sound like he was uncoachable.

[woodbuck27]

I had prepared a splendid response to this post, and whoooshhh, it went off somewhere.

Off somewhere? You mean like to Harlan?

I'm confused.




I think Jon Ryan is in a better place now. The fans in Seattle seem to appreciate him more than we did.


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Harlan? Come on Scott. Your paranoid. There can't be much left of that skeleton. You've dragged it around like a wee childs security blanket for what? Three years now.

Let it go Scott. I mean, I'm concerned for you.

What kind of place do you live in man? Football Scott. That other stuff is for the psychiatrist's office not here.

GO! Packers !!

[Scott Campbell]

Geez, I thought you and Harlan exchanged emails. Your tone here is obviously strained. Just relax please.

I'm committed to nurturing our new relationship as equals - both as posters, and as human beings. I'm as good as you. And you're every bit as good as me.

So how bout we knock the nonsense off, and stick to football?

I did feel badly for you the day Ryan was cut. I know you were pulling for him.

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[SkinBasket]

This can't continue. It's like when everyone started using each other's avatars.

[Scott Campbell]

This can't continue. It's like when everyone started using each other's avatars.

Ahhh yes. Good times.

[woodbuck27]

Geez, I thought you and Harlan exchanged emails. Your tone here is obviously strained. Just relax please.

I'm committed to nurturing our new relationship as equals - both as posters, and as human beings. I'm as good as you. And you're every bit as good as me.

So how bout we knock the nonsense off, and stick to football?

I did feel badly for you the day Ryan was cut. I know you were pulling for him.

GO PACK GO!!!!

YES! Football please Scott.

I don't bother posters here with matters I handle well by myself. Take that issue away (of what I can't even re-call) and the way that crap went down on Harlan away too please. It's not relevent in any sane sense to now.

Let go!

Secondly I wasn't aware there was any nonsence going on bet. you and I Scott. End of that.

[Patler]

OK good. So Scott. In your final analysis Jon Ryan was simply a lousy punter in a Green Bay Packer uniform? He couldn't adapt his skills to the NFL style of game? Yet he's picked up right away and punts well with Seattle?

Just a thought here:

Alot of pressure on the coach's when the GM takes a hands off whatever is going on in the field approach or hides out alot. If I brought Jon Ryan in and saw he was growing and he was Scott. I'd have plenty to say before any ST coach dumped that man for nothing really to count on.

PACKERS!

A little perspective on Jon Ryan. He was similar in Seattle in 2008 to what he was in GB in 2007. Among the league leaders in gross average, but also among the league leaders in the number touchbacks, and in the lower level in number of kicks downed inside the 20. As a result, his net average (which is really more important than gross average, in my opinion) was in the middle of the league. He remains what he was, a punter with a big leg who is still learning the finer points of punting. He could be a very, very good punter if he figures out that part of it.

I'm not sure that Seattle is so set on Ryan long term. Almost every FA punter of any note has been rumored to be being courted by the Seahawks, including Adam Graessle who signed with the Packers last month after getting a similar offer from the Seahawks. The Packers have since released him, but I don't see that the Seahawks have made a new offer to him.

[woodbuck27]

OK good. So Scott. In your final analysis Jon Ryan was simply a lousy punter in a Green Bay Packer uniform? He couldn't adapt his skills to the NFL style of game? Yet he's picked up right away and punts well with Seattle?

Just a thought here:

Alot of pressure on the coach's when the GM takes a hands off whatever is going on in the field approach or hides out alot. If I brought Jon Ryan in and saw he was growing and he was Scott. I'd have plenty to say before any ST coach dumped that man for nothing really to count on.

PACKERS!

A little perspective on Jon Ryan. He was similar in Seattle in 2008 to what he was in GB in 2007. Among the league leaders in gross average, but also among the league leaders in the number touchbacks, and in the lower level in number of kicks downed inside the 20. As a result, his net average (which is really more important than gross average, in my opinion) was in the middle of the league. He remains what he was, a punter with a big leg who is still learning the finer points of punting. He could be a very, very good punter if he figures out that part of it.

I'm not sure that Seattle is so set on Ryan long term. Almost every FA punter of any note has been rumored to be being courted by the Seahawks, including Adam Graessle who signed with the Packers last month after getting a similar offer from the Seahawks. The Packers have since released him, but I don't see that the Seahawks have made a new offer to him.

The question then is:

Will Jon Ryan ever smarten up?

[Scott Campbell]

The question then is:

Will Jon Ryan ever smarten up?

Some Canadians are late bloomers, so I'm still pulling for him.


GO PACK GO!!!!