Favre Deal Done?

[Zool]

Did Manning announce he was going to retire yet in a tearful goodbye presser?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett Favre
2007 - 2 TO, 1-1
2006 - 0 TO, 0-0
2005 - 0 TO, 0-0
2004 - 5 TO, 0-1
2003 - 1 TO, 1-1
2002 - 3 TO, 0-1
2001 - 7 TO, 1-1
2000 - 0 TO, 0-0
1999 - 0 T0, 0-0
1998 - 2 TO, 0-1
1997 - 4 TO, 2-1
1996 - 2 T0, 3-0
1995 - 2 TO, 2-1
1994 - 1 TO, 1-1
1993 - 3 TO, 1-1

2-2 conference championship record
12 - 9 record
32 total turnovers
1.52 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

Accept Favre managed to win some playoff games. His stats would be even better if the first round bye didn't exist!

Looks like that should be 12-10--based on your numbers. First round byes have existed since Favre has been in the league, so I don't get your point?

[gex]

Pretty sorry group of people that just want to bash, one of the top 3-4 Packer players of all time.

Don't forget they will not allow any thread or post that gives praise to him either.

[Scott Campbell]

Pretty sorry group of people that just want to bash, one of the top 3-4 Packer players of all time.

Don't forget they will not allow any thread or post that gives praise to him either.

Yeah, like those have really been outlawed.

[cpk1994]

Pretty sorry group of people that just want to bash, one of the top 3-4 Packer players of all time.

Don't forget they will not allow any thread or post that gives praise to him either.

Yeah the 123 threads about Favre on the front page are really outlawed.

[cpk1994]

Did Manning announce he was going to retire yet in a tearful goodbye presser?

Or wnated to be released so he couild then play for Tennessee so he could stick it to the Colts?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty doesn't want to get bogged down in analysis of what partial posted...just wants to note that his stats are bogus since partial displays an inability to do basic math.

[pbmax]

Pretty sorry group of people that just want to bash, one of the top 3-4 Packer players of all time.

Don't forget they will not allow any thread or post that gives praise to him either.

I, for one, would be happy to see such a thread and/or post. Do you have something to add other than the complaint listed here?

[pbmax]

Favre and Manning are close in playoff performance, there seems to be no doubt about that by the numbers posted. But you do realize that the most common criticism of Manning is his mediocre playoff performance and his (public) rep as a bad teammate?

And despite overwhelming regular season statistical evidence, most fans prefer Brady to Manning current day, forget the Best Ever moniker.

I think the comparison may be damning Favre with faint praise. Manning is a tremendous QB with a history of poor playoff performances.

Additionally, to your point that Favre suffered on bad teams seems not to jibe with the Packers record. He was on very good 12-4 teams in back to back years while at the beginning of his 2000s playoff slide, and while the next two 10-6 teams were clearly weaker, they were hardly bad teams. Old, perhaps. Lacking depth. But not bad.

But the question asked at the bottom, would you replace Manning with Rodgers? That question cannot be answered by these stats. Manning is five years younger and while his playoff record is underwhelming, it does not seem to indicate that he is suddenly old. He has outperformed Favre this entire decade in the regular season too.

Given that, the answer to the question you asked is no, nothing you have shown here would convince me to replace Peyton with Rodgers. But that has less to do with these numbers, and more to do with the regular season and age.

[LEWCWA]

blah, blah, blah is all I hear. The point wasn't to compare Favre with anyone, just to show most all QB's with several playoff runs have comparable numbers to Brett. I just don't get all the bashing. big damn deal, he threw a bunch of picks against the Rams. They were a much better team and he knew they had to score to keep up with that team, as I recall most of those picks came trying to make up a big deficit.....and christ get off this traitor crap already. I'm sure most of your wives change their minds about shit on a daily basis and you still keep her around!

[mission]

I'm sure most of your wives change their minds about shit on a daily basis and you still keep her around!

If my girl wanted to bang another producer who I have to work with a couple times a year I'd have a pretty big problem with that ... not insecure, just, you know ...

[mraynrand]

blah, blah, blah is all I hear. The point wasn't to compare Favre with anyone, just to show most all QB's with several playoff runs have comparable numbers to Brett. I just don't get all the bashing. big damn deal, he threw a bunch of picks against the Rams. They were a much better team and he knew they had to score to keep up with that team, as I recall most of those picks came trying to make up a big deficit.....and christ get off this traitor crap already. I'm sure most of your wives change their minds about shit on a daily basis and you still keep her around!

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

[woodbuck27]

blah, blah, blah is all I hear. The point wasn't to compare Favre with anyone, just to show most all QB's with several playoff runs have comparable numbers to Brett. I just don't get all the bashing. big damn deal, he threw a bunch of picks against the Rams. They were a much better team and he knew they had to score to keep up with that team, as I recall most of those picks came trying to make up a big deficit.....and christ get off this traitor crap already. I'm sure most of your wives change their minds about shit on a daily basis and you still keep her around!

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

The funny thing about it too as concerns Favre that people don't give him credit for. Brett Favre would be the first one to lay all the blame on himself even when what is written above is so true.

GO PACKERS!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

I don't disagree with much of this--although saying Favre played quite well is a bit much. I don't blame Favre for that game. However, he did have chances in other games that he failed to capitalize on. There were too many failures by Favre in those other games to give him a free pass. Two OT interceptions. The play against Minnesota where he ran past the LOS and then underhanded the ball forward when he could have run it. The Atlanta game. Great regular season QB who had a solid playoff record in the first half of his career, but played too undisciplined in many playoff games in the second half of his career.

[woodbuck27]

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

I don't disagree with much of this--although saying Favre played quite well is a bit much. I don't blame Favre for that game. However, he did have chances in other games that he failed to capitalize on. There were too many failures by Favre in those other games to give him a free pass. Two OT interceptions. The play against Minnesota where he ran past the LOS and then underhanded the ball forward when he could have run it. The Atlanta game. Great regular season QB who had a solid playoff record in the first half of his career, but played too undisciplined in many playoff games in the second half of his career.

''The play against Minnesota where he ran past the LOS and then underhanded the ball forward when he could have run it.'' HW

That one really bugged me.