Favre Deal Done?

[mraynrand]

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

I don't disagree with much of this--although saying Favre played quite well is a bit much. I don't blame Favre for that game. However, he did have chances in other games that he failed to capitalize on. There were too many failures by Favre in those other games to give him a free pass. Two OT interceptions. The play against Minnesota where he ran past the LOS and then underhanded the ball forward when he could have run it. The Atlanta game. Great regular season QB who had a solid playoff record in the first half of his career, but played too undisciplined in many playoff games in the second half of his career.

You make good points. I agree with almost everything you wrote. That Rams game is really weird. If you get a chance to, go back and watch it - Favre was really getting no support and he did make quite a few good plays. I watched it a few years back to see how bad he really was, and I was shocked by how much my judgment of his play was clouded by the outcome of the game.

[cpk1994]

blah, blah, blah is all I hear. The point wasn't to compare Favre with anyone, just to show most all QB's with several playoff runs have comparable numbers to Brett. I just don't get all the bashing. big damn deal, he threw a bunch of picks against the Rams. They were a much better team and he knew they had to score to keep up with that team, as I recall most of those picks came trying to make up a big deficit.....and christ get off this traitor crap already. I'm sure most of your wives change their minds about shit on a daily basis and you still keep her around!

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

The funny thing about it too as concerns Favre that people don't give him credit for. Brett Favre would be the first one to lay all the blame on himself even when what is written above is so true.

GO PACKERS!

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

[woodbuck27]

blah, blah, blah is all I hear. The point wasn't to compare Favre with anyone, just to show most all QB's with several playoff runs have comparable numbers to Brett. I just don't get all the bashing. big damn deal, he threw a bunch of picks against the Rams. They were a much better team and he knew they had to score to keep up with that team, as I recall most of those picks came trying to make up a big deficit.....and christ get off this traitor crap already. I'm sure most of your wives change their minds about shit on a daily basis and you still keep her around!

I always get riled up about that Rams game because 3 INTs came after the game was over - the Pack down by at least three scores with about a quarter left. And depending on Schroeder, Favre was responsible for 1 or 2 of the first 3. Favre actually played quite well in that game - the run blocking was for shit, the pass pro not much better, and other guys (Freeman and Schroeder) made mistakes. Stats in football are always troublesome, as are the attempts to determine whether Favre made the receivers better or vice versa. And people routinely forget things like the fact that in 2002 the Packers were 8-1 starting out, but by the time the second half of the playoff loss to Atlanta, they had lost 9 starters to injury, including Driver, Green, Glenn, Sharper, Clifton, Tauscher, Johnson, etc.

Stats never come close to revealing the true story, and in football it's much more the case.

The funny thing about it too as concerns Favre that people don't give him credit for. Brett Favre would be the first one to lay all the blame on himself even when what is written above is so true.

GO PACKERS!

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I see your in your normally high spirit. Your such a pleasure.

Just to lighten it up around here. I saw this just now and thought it amusing.

Friday, May 8, 2009

David Letterman has his say on Brett Favre

Here's David Letterman's take on Brett Favre, from Thursday night's "Late Night" show on CBS:

"Brett Favre played all of his career for the Green Bay Packers. He started in Atlanta, played for the Falcons and they traded him to Green Bay. He’s a tremendous Super Bowl champion, an icon, Hall of Famer. Then, he quits the Green Bay Packers and goes to the New York Jets. Then, he quits the New York Jets. Said, 'That is it, I'm done.' Oh no, he is not done. Apparently, he is going to the Minnesota Vikings."

Letterman then aired an "announcement" on Favre’s plans:

"Hey, football fans, Brett Favre is coming to the Vikings. This is your last chance to see Brett play before he goes to Jacksonville next year.

Then, you won't want to miss Favre's 2011 stint with the Raiders. Then, it's back to the Jets before an emotional reunion in Green Bay. Did someone say Winnipeg? That's right. In 2014, Brett's going to Canada, and then what the hell? He'll pour out another year with the Jets.

Brett Favre, take it to the bank!"

It's not among the online clips from Thursday night's show, so this will have to do.

-- Jeff Ash, jash@greenbaypressgazette.com

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I disagree with this. Brett took blame. Always? No. But he did so more than most superstars for most of his career. I've seen him lay the blame on others in recent years, but that just might be an aging star trying to convince himself that he is still a star. I have little doubt that his decision making and the natural decline in his skills was as much to blame for his failures at the end of last season as his arm injury, but if Favre thought that was the case, he probably wouldn't come back. Thus, I've see him justifying his struggles (i.e. not taking blame) more. It's not unusual. For most of his career, I saw him man up and take blame plenty of times when he messed up.

[woodbuck27]

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I disagree with this. Brett took blame. Always? No. But he did so more than most superstars for most of his career. I've seen him lay the blame on others in recent years, but that just might be an aging star trying to convince himself that he is still a star. I have little doubt that his decision making and the natural decline in his skills was as much to blame for his failures at the end of last season as his arm injury, but if Favre thought that was the case, he probably wouldn't come back. Thus, I've see him justifying his struggles (i.e. not taking blame) more. It's not unusual. For most of his career, I saw him man up and take blame plenty of times when he messed up.

Thank You Harvey.

[cpk1994]

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I disagree with this. Brett took blame. Always? No. But he did so more than most superstars for most of his career. I've seen him lay the blame on others in recent years, but that just might be an aging star trying to convince himself that he is still a star. I have little doubt that his decision making and the natural decline in his skills was as much to blame for his failures at the end of last season as his arm injury, but if Favre thought that was the case, he probably wouldn't come back. Thus, I've see him justifying his struggles (i.e. not taking blame) more. It's not unusual. For most of his career, I saw him man up and take blame plenty of times when he messed up.

Maybe at the beginning of his carerr, but once Mike Sherman was hired that changed completely. He had no problem chatting up the media after wins, but after losses, especially when he had bad performacnes, he was nowhere to be found while Mike Sherman sat there and came up with every excuse in the book, "WR ran the wrong route", The ball slipped out of Brett's hand", "Well, he has a thumb injury" etc. Basically only took the blame when coaches refused cover for him.

[SnakeLH2006]

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I disagree with this. Brett took blame. Always? No. But he did so more than most superstars for most of his career. I've seen him lay the blame on others in recent years, but that just might be an aging star trying to convince himself that he is still a star. I have little doubt that his decision making and the natural decline in his skills was as much to blame for his failures at the end of last season as his arm injury, but if Favre thought that was the case, he probably wouldn't come back. Thus, I've see him justifying his struggles (i.e. not taking blame) more. It's not unusual. For most of his career, I saw him man up and take blame plenty of times when he messed up.

Maybe at the beginning of his carerr, but once Mike Sherman was hired that changed completely. He had no problem chatting up the media after wins, but after losses, especially when he had bad performacnes, he was nowhere to be found while Mike Sherman sat there and came up with every excuse in the book, "WR ran the wrong route", The ball slipped out of Brett's hand", "Well, he has a thumb injury" etc. Basically only took the blame when coaches refused cover for him.

It's hard to blame Brett when that was out his hands as Shermy drank some Favrey Kool-Aid game-wise, as that has nothing to do with Brett. I don't remember Brett calling out any player in his whole career (show some articles or STFU) so you should really look at yourself CPK. You call out EVERYONE and bitch and moan on EVERY post about EVERYONE/EVERYTHING, yet unlike Brett (who has produced winners/stats his whole career) you have NEVER produced anything (in your PR post career) but negativity and insults. If Brett did so now (talk down on someone.....which to your point, he never did), at least he ain't a Packer. You still (don't know how it's possible) still post on PR, so lighten your hate, please. It's VERY tiresome. Please post less. Your suck-post ratio is very poor. Prob. the poorest Snake has seen in 5 NFL forums. I've never seen you post a good post without trying to bitch/drag someone (a poster, or player, coach, GM) down. Just quit now. Your mom is texting me now, just begging you stop with the facade.......

[cpk1994]

Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I disagree with this. Brett took blame. Always? No. But he did so more than most superstars for most of his career. I've seen him lay the blame on others in recent years, but that just might be an aging star trying to convince himself that he is still a star. I have little doubt that his decision making and the natural decline in his skills was as much to blame for his failures at the end of last season as his arm injury, but if Favre thought that was the case, he probably wouldn't come back. Thus, I've see him justifying his struggles (i.e. not taking blame) more. It's not unusual. For most of his career, I saw him man up and take blame plenty of times when he messed up.

Maybe at the beginning of his carerr, but once Mike Sherman was hired that changed completely. He had no problem chatting up the media after wins, but after losses, especially when he had bad performacnes, he was nowhere to be found while Mike Sherman sat there and came up with every excuse in the book, "WR ran the wrong route", The ball slipped out of Brett's hand", "Well, he has a thumb injury" etc. Basically only took the blame when coaches refused cover for him.

It's hard to blame Brett when that was out his hands as Shermy drank some Favrey Kool-Aid game-wise, as that has nothing to do with Brett. I don't remember Brett calling out any player in his whole career (show some articles or STFU) so you should really look at yourself CPK. You call out EVERYONE and bitch and moan on EVERY post about EVERYONE/EVERYTHING, yet unlike Brett (who has produced winners/stats his whole career) you have NEVER produced anything (in your PR post career) but negativity and insults. If Brett did so now (talk down on someone.....which to your point, he never did), at least he ain't a Packer. You still (don't know how it's possible) still post on PR, so lighten your hate, please. It's VERY tiresome. Please post less. Your suck-post ratio is very poor. Prob. the poorest Snake has seen in 5 NFL forums. I've never seen you post a good post without trying to bitch/drag someone (a poster, or player, coach, GM) down. Just quit now. Your mom is texting me now, just begging you stop with the facade.......

Pot calling kettle......

[Scott Campbell]

I don't remember Brett calling out any player in his whole career (show some articles or STFU) so you should really look at yourself CPK.

Where did CPK say that Brett called out a player? And why are you so worked over nothing once again?

[Administrator]

Pot calling kettle......

Not even close. Well written and spot on.

[Administrator]

I don't remember Brett calling out any player in his whole career (show some articles or STFU) so you should really look at yourself CPK.

Where did CPK say that Brett called out a player? And why are you so worked over nothing once again?

Just a guess, but he's probably tired of the tone, or he focused on the "blame other people" comment.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Pot calling kettle......

Not even close. Well written and spot on.

Well written?

Guess we now know that Admin is a Favre homer.

I thought you were against personal attacks..that post is full of them.

BTW, how is it that "texting your mom" is ok?

Partial, is that you?

[cpk1994]

Pot calling kettle......

Not even close. Well written and spot on.

How is calling me out for personal attacks and then persnaonlly attacking me "Not even close"? Are you saying it's OK for him to personally attack me like he did?

[SkinBasket]

Looks like it's open season on cpk. Better strap one on brah.

[mraynrand]

Pot calling kettle......

Not even close. Well written and spot on.

How is calling me out for personal attacks and then persnaonlly attacking me "Not even close"? Are you saying it's OK for him to personally attack me like he did?

If this place didn't have personal attacks, the post rate would drop about 90% - it wold be like texting back in the late 1990s.