LeRoy Butler says

[Partial]

That Bishop and Thompson look very good, and should be starting over Matthews and Hawk (I'm pretty sure Thompson is starting, but LeRoy is convinced Matthews will ultimately get the nod due to his draft spot).

He said Bishop is by far the best linebacker out there. He is a torpedo that is bowling people over. He said the collision between Bishop and Johnson yesterday was one for the ages.

Evidently Johnson is just a throwback, vintage fullback. He is evidently standing out in practice big time said the WSSP crew, and while he can't catch the ball, he will knock you on your ass and the job is his to lose as lead blocker.

Interesting observations from two former Packers, Gary Ellerson and LeRoy Butler.

[Fritz]

. . . that Cutler is a pussy?

[Freak Out]

Re: LeRoy Butler says

That Bishop and Thompson look very good, and should be starting over Matthews and Hawk (I'm pretty sure Thompson is starting, but LeRoy is convinced Matthews will ultimately get the nod due to his draft spot).

He said Bishop is by far the best linebacker out there. He is a torpedo that is bowling people over. He said the collision between Bishop and Johnson yesterday was one for the ages.

Evidently Johnson is just a throwback, vintage fullback. He is evidently standing out in practice big time said the WSSP crew, and while he can't catch the ball, he will knock you on your ass and the job is his to lose as lead blocker.

Interesting observations from two former Packers, Gary Ellerson and LeRoy Butler.

Where are you reading/hearing this stuff?

[DonHutson]

Sounds like Chillar has been making a lot of plays, too. If nothing else, he and Bishop should provide quality depth.

I'd love to see somebody take the FB job and run with it. Kuhn and Hall are both decent, but rarely noteworthy. Johnson, along with the apparent emphasis on bigger and stronger OL, should boost the yards per carry if he's as good as they make him sound.

[Fritz]

Sounds like Chillar has been making a lot of plays, too. If nothing else, he and Bishop should provide quality depth.

I'd love to see somebody take the FB job and run with it. Kuhn and Hall are both decent, but rarely noteworthy. Johnson, along with the apparent emphasis on bigger and stronger OL, should boost the yards per carry if he's as good as they make him sound.

You funny guy, you.

[bobblehead]

One of the big things I liked about MM and TT in the beginning was the declaration that they didn't care where you were drafted or what you were paid, the best player would get the job. Several years later I am disappointed as they must have meant: I don't care where Sherman drafted you or pays you, but if you are my guy then you will be handed the job.

Last year Chillar was by far the best LB on the team but almost never started. It sounds like he is lights out so far this year, and if it continues and he doesn't start I will begin to join those who question the current regime. Same with BJack last year as he was clearly superior to Grant early on, but we paid grant so..........

[Fritz]

The only problem with your logic, Bobble, is that Chillar was a TT signing.

[PlantPage55]

LeRoy Butler has a history of being very vocal and very wrong.

[Fritz]

Dude should sign up for Packerrats then.

[Partial]

Re: LeRoy Butler says

That Bishop and Thompson look very good, and should be starting over Matthews and Hawk (I'm pretty sure Thompson is starting, but LeRoy is convinced Matthews will ultimately get the nod due to his draft spot).

He said Bishop is by far the best linebacker out there. He is a torpedo that is bowling people over. He said the collision between Bishop and Johnson yesterday was one for the ages.

Evidently Johnson is just a throwback, vintage fullback. He is evidently standing out in practice big time said the WSSP crew, and while he can't catch the ball, he will knock you on your ass and the job is his to lose as lead blocker.

Interesting observations from two former Packers, Gary Ellerson and LeRoy Butler.

Where are you reading/hearing this stuff?

WSSP. He frequently hosts the afternoon show with Gary Ellerson and a couple of other guys.

[Lurker64]

I don't think Bishop should be starting at all. Bishop plays LB like a college LB, where he attacks a hole before the play develops. When he guesses right, he's successful in the form of TFLs, sacks, or "blowed up" plays. When he guesses wrong, he gets burned. His successes will be visually exciting and impressive, but he'll get you burned too much to start.

Hawk hesitates a bit much to be great in the middle (but he hesitates the perfect amount for a WLB), while Barnett basically displays the perfect ratio of anticipation to participation. He declares basically at the exact instant that the offensive play does. IMO, Hawk is going to give us fewer impact plays in the middle, but is going to get burned much, much less than Bishop and be better against the run than Chillar.

The starting two should be Hawk and Barnett, if Barnett is healthy.

[sharpe1027]

One of the big things I liked about MM and TT in the beginning was the declaration that they didn't care where you were drafted or what you were paid, the best player would get the job. Several years later I am disappointed as they must have meant: I don't care where Sherman drafted you or pays you, but if you are my guy then you will be handed the job.

Last year Chillar was by far the best LB on the team but almost never started. It sounds like he is lights out so far this year, and if it continues and he doesn't start I will begin to join those who question the current regime. Same with BJack last year as he was clearly superior to Grant early on, but we paid grant so..........

1.) Chillar was not a Sherman pick.
2.) Chillar was the 14th highest salary; Poppinga was the 12th highest. It doesn't get much closer than that.
3.) Why are you hung up on "starter" vs. "nonstarter"? They played Chillar alot, and did so to play to his strength last year, pass coverage.
4.) What the hell does MM care about TT's guys vs. Sherman's guys? TT doesn't set the starting lineup.

Perhaps you have an axe to grind and are seeing conspiracies where there are none because of it? If something like this does not make you sit back and reflect on your feelings/objectivity...

[Partial]

I don't think Bishop should be starting at all. Bishop plays LB like a college LB, where he attacks a hole before the play develops. When he guesses right, he's successful in the form of TFLs, sacks, or "blowed up" plays. When he guesses wrong, he gets burned. His successes will be visually exciting and impressive, but he'll get you burned too much to start.

Hawk hesitates a bit much to be great in the middle (but he hesitates the perfect amount for a WLB), while Barnett basically displays the perfect ratio of anticipation to participation. He declares basically at the exact instant that the offensive play does. IMO, Hawk is going to give us fewer impact plays in the middle, but is going to get burned much, much less than Bishop and be better against the run than Chillar.

The starting two should be Hawk and Barnett, if Barnett is healthy.

While I don't have an opinion on the topic because I don't know enough at this point since I haven't seen them in the new scheme, it is at least interesting hearing two former NFL players, including one very, very good one cite these observations.

I'm not making any judgements about this team period until I see them. I wouldn't write those guys off yet.

Sharpe,

I'm off the opinion that a general manager has far more influence over a starting lineup than first glance would reveal.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ellerson played in the NFL almost 20 years ago, and if Butler was so knowledgeble about football he would have landed that coaching job he has been seeking for the better part of 5 years.

What 3 days into training camp? Nice to know that certain players are adjusting to the scheme, but Thompson was reported a day or so ago as getting lit up.

[ND72]

So here is what I've read via twitter & other packer blogs regarding most everyone mentioned here.

* Jeremy Thompson looks good in pass coverage, but chad clifton has been making him look like a high school cheerleader on his pass rush.

* Bishop has played solid on blitz's, but has been lost in pass coverage, and is a liability.

* Hawk has had his best camp since coming to Green Bay.

* Chillar has been the most impressive LB to date in camp.

* Johnson is great in his blocks, when he's been in. He has been seen wearing oxygen masks, and has been getting schooled in O vs. D drills, and has been getting the scorn of most of Edgar's yelling to date. Yesterday he was the first one to the field by demand by Edgar, as he made a fool of himself in a drill sunday morning.

* Woodson, Harris, & Collins have all looked sharp.

* It is Barbre's job at RT, no other competition besides rookie Lang.

* Rodgers has looked good, but the defense is kicking the Offenses butt routinely.

* Also...the "collision for the ages" that was commented on, was between Bishop and Wynn.