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  • #46
    Originally posted by sharpe1027
    Originally posted by bobblehead
    I would say you misread my post. I would also say you have a preconceived notion about me and my objectivity. I'm a huge TT and MM fan in the way they go about business.

    1) Never said he was. But he wasn't a TT pick either. He came in as a role player to cover non blocking TE's that Popp couldn't handle. As I said above he outplayed Hawk badly and should have been starting instead of Hawk.
    2) Popp is a TT pick and his deal was worth far more overall than Chillars. You are comparing base salaries I believe.
    3) I'm hung up on the fact that Chillar was the BEST LB we had last year and didn't play enough. He got on the field later when too many injuriees and bad play mounted. I also pointed out the BJack vs. Grant situation, the guy who got paid got the carries even when BJack was outplaying him badly.
    4) If you think MM doesn't care about TT's guys you dont' understand the relationship of a hand picked coach and his GM. They discuss most everything from draft picks to player cuts.

    I'm not sure what axe you think I have to grind. I've been a huge supporter of TT and MM going back thousands of posts. I criticize when I think its correct and I back them when I think they are right. I don't know what you mean by me seeing conspiracies and questioning my objectivity. Hell, I'm not even sure why you chose to make this a personal dig....If that doesn't make you sit back and reflect on your self esteem..........
    Axe to grind? Maybe not then, but making statements about the inner workings of their minds? Really? I mean it couldn't be that they truly thought those players were better.... To accept your argument I basically have to believe that not only are you a better talent evaluator than them, but also you are a trained physchologist.

    Oh wait, Chillar isn't a Sherman pick? I guess there is some distinction between a draft pick and a free agent signing? Why the hell are Pickett and Woodson playing, shouldn't they be benched as well?

    Poppinga's paid much than Chillar? Really? I don't think so....

    Discussing draft picks and cuts, yes. Setting the starting lineup no.

    Look, I may have jumped the gun on calling you out, but your argument was so full of holes that I admit that it annoyed me. I said "Perhaps you have an axe to grind". If not, fine.

    IMO, Chillar only stood out because you could see him making plays in the passing game. That's about it though. I doubt you can find much support for your belief that he was the best LB on the team. I just don't see it.[/b]
    Fair enough. I thought he was very good last year....especially compared to what we had. I agree he isn't a run stuffer (agree with both you and waldo) but when I kept seeing every other LB on the team last year give up 3rd and 7 conversions I started liking Chillar more. I would say he was better against the run last year than Hawk, Popps, Bishop or anyone else was against the pass (again, not counting barnett in street clothes.)

    I'm not alone in my "psychology". Bedard and McGinn last year griped about how bad Grant looked and couldn't believe that he was still getting the bulk of the carries when BJack was averaging about a yard a carry more. They paid the guy and felt obligated to play him.

    All a chat site is, is a bunch of guys second guessing the coaches and reading minds. I'm no different. My guess is that you disagree with my politics over in FYI and are letting your angst towards me bleed over into my football posts. If thats not it, then I'm completely confused as to why you got personal with my post when most everyone on this board makes similar posts everyday. I don't even mind you debating the "full of holes" part as waldo has, but the personal shot irked me (only a little though, as is my nature).
    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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    • #47
      Brady Poppinga:

      4 years, 13.9 million. Also had 2008 salary bumped by about 1 million in deal.

      Brandon Chillar:

      2 years, 5.4 million 3 million in first year. Possible 1 million escalator.
      (note to Waldo...chillar took less to play for a winner http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29506369.html )

      funny, the article talks about his one weakness....can't be counted on to cover TE's and running backs full time. Apparently he started for 2 years with the rams as a 1st and 2nd down guy. Not bad for such a bad run stopper. Not sure where you guys get this stuff from.

      Sharpe, you are looking at the reworked 2008 pay to Poppinga and comparing it to the FA salary of Chillar in a 2 year deal. Poppinga's contract was/is far superior.
      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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      • #48
        "We talking about Practice?!"
        Allen Iverson

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        • #49
          More raving today from the WSSP guys about Bishop. They also said the competition to keep an eye on is Jordy/Jones because the playing field is basically level right now.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Fritz
            Can we somehow get "waffling" included in the football vernacular?
            I have a story that I guess you've never heard before, Fritz. It starts out, once upon a time the Packers traded for a young QB from Mississippi...
            #14

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