What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

[Patler]

I think Lurker is refering to a rule that allows you to 'activate' your 3rd QB as an emergency QB. I seem to remember something about it myself. Didn't we actually use it once when Favre got hurt, and Pederson came in and immediately hurt himself...causing Nall to take the field?

I think it's intended for use if both the #1 and #2 guy get hurt, and you can't bring them back into the game if the #3 takes the field. But I'm not sure how it works.

That's exactly my point. If the player designated as the "3rd QB" comes into the game, neither of the other two can re-enter the game. So if Vick is in reality your third best QB, but you have him on the 45 man game day roster because you want to use him for those 5 or 6 plays specially designed for him, if your #1 gets hurt you have two options, either have Vick finish the game even though he is not your best backup QB; or insert your true backup QB (whom you designated as the "3rd QB") to finish the game, and do not have Vick available the rest of the game. In essence, if your #1 gets hurt you would lose both him and Vick for the remainder of the game if you use your true backup who was originally designated as the emergency QB on the game day roster.

The only way you can have your true backup play QB and still use Vick for those handful of plays some people have suggested be scripted for him is to have all three QBs on the 45 man roster. That's my point about having to short yourself at another position, because you would have no player under the "3rd QB" designation.

[MJZiggy]

I think you're looking at their idea a little backward in that they believe that Vick is the "real" #2 backup playing at the #3 spot. So if he comes in for the rest of the game, he's better than the quarterback listed at #2. The problem is if you do that and he gets hurt, then you have no qb to finish the game.

[Patler]

I think you're looking at their idea a little backward in that they believe that Vick is the "real" #2 backup playing at the #3 spot. So if he comes in for the rest of the game, he's better than the quarterback listed at #2. The problem is if you do that and he gets hurt, then you have no qb to finish the game.

What?

Apparently I have lost my ability to write coherently, have lost my ability to read comprehensively, or both.

All I was suggesting is that if a team signs Vick and actually considers him to be their third best option at QB, BUT puts in some "special" plays to use his unique talents, he causes a minor problem for the game day roster for the reasons I explained in my last message above.

If they actually consider him to be their 2nd best option to play QB there is no problem. He is on the 45 man roster, the third QB is designated as the "emergency QB" and doesn't count against the 45.

It's a very small matter. It would only be an issue in a game in which the the #1 QB is injured.

[hoosier]

Re: What factors are needed for Vick to sign?

Not just with the Packers, but with any team? Obviously, the locker room needs to be accepting. Probably a team like GB, where fans have a lower PETA compassion would help. These are sort of givens. Additionally, I think:

- Vick needs to have low income expectations, maybe only slightly above minimum.
- Team and Vick have to agree to a short term, maybe 1 or 2 years only.
- Vick can't expect much of a signing bonus.
- Vick has to be willing to play other than QB, and perhaps return kicks. Can you imagine Michael Vick returning kickoffs?

What other factors are there?

I must have missed this thread when it was still relevant. One obvious factor, IMO, is organizational stability. A team that takes on Vick needs to have a solid core group of players who won't easily get distracted by media spectacle or be divided or become demoralized if Vick screws up again. And it needs to provide a stable, positive environment where Vick won't be tempted to return to old habits and old social circles.

It's interesting in retrospect, after Vick has signed with Philly, to consider the contrast between the two teams that reportedly made him offers. The Bengals are the antithesis of a stable organization, whereas the Eagles come pretty close to exemplifying it (even though they have suffered through the turmoil of TO and occasional controversies surrounding McNabb). The Bengals reported offer wasn't as good as Philly's (2.3M over 2 years vs. 1.6M for 1 year w/ team option for second year at 5.2M), but even if it HAD been competitive I would expect that Tony Dungy would have pushed Vick as hard as he could away from Cincinnati. Imagine the media fallout if Vick had in fact signed with the Bengals....

[MOBB DEEP]

I'm guessing he needs to find a team that doesn;t mind the protests and likes his 75 career QB rating.


Nobody comes to mind. The Vikings seem to like a 75 rating in QBs for some odd reason but they most certainly don't want a bunch of nuts ringing the stadium every Sunday.

Green Bay can handle the protests stuff easily I think. My question is why would center around why they want the 75 rating AND a guy that hasn't played in a helluva long time over what they have?

GREAT qbs in minny?????

[Rastak]

I'm guessing he needs to find a team that doesn;t mind the protests and likes his 75 career QB rating.


Nobody comes to mind. The Vikings seem to like a 75 rating in QBs for some odd reason but they most certainly don't want a bunch of nuts ringing the stadium every Sunday.

Green Bay can handle the protests stuff easily I think. My question is why would center around why they want the 75 rating AND a guy that hasn't played in a helluva long time over what they have?

GREAT qbs in minny?????

Relevence to the subject at hand?

[MOBB DEEP]

I'm guessing he needs to find a team that doesn;t mind the protests and likes his 75 career QB rating.


Nobody comes to mind. The Vikings seem to like a 75 rating in QBs for some odd reason but they most certainly don't want a bunch of nuts ringing the stadium every Sunday.

Green Bay can handle the protests stuff easily I think. My question is why would center around why they want the 75 rating AND a guy that hasn't played in a helluva long time over what they have?

GREAT qbs in minny?????

Relevence to the subject at hand?

i could be wrong but it sounds like u were saying u would take ur QBs over vick da great...i apologize if im incorrect; not trying to banter for no reason...

WOULD u take him over your your cast??

[MOBB DEEP]

btw, im just salty favre aint going to 10,000 lakes

[Rastak]

I'm guessing he needs to find a team that doesn;t mind the protests and likes his 75 career QB rating.


Nobody comes to mind. The Vikings seem to like a 75 rating in QBs for some odd reason but they most certainly don't want a bunch of nuts ringing the stadium every Sunday.

Green Bay can handle the protests stuff easily I think. My question is why would center around why they want the 75 rating AND a guy that hasn't played in a helluva long time over what they have?

GREAT qbs in minny?????

Relevence to the subject at hand?

i could be wrong but it sounds like u were saying u would take ur QBs over vick da great...i apologize if im incorrect; not trying to banter for no reason...

WOULD u take him over your your cast??

No, I wouldn't.....unless I planned to never throw the ball. Then I'd take him in a minute.