The Packers' Roster, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

[wist43]

Re: The Packers' Roster, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

He might be one of those potential type of players but I just didn't see it in the preseason.

I think that Jones has the highest ceiling of any in this draft class. He looked crazy good in coverage compared to the rest of our OLB's. Dom had him over slot WR's vs. Tn and he didn't get burned.

He is weak and can't hold the point against the run right now. Then again none of our OLB's can.

He is a speed rusher. Matthews has the physical traits, but USC is more of a power rush team and teaches their guys to go through, not around. Jones can go around. He's very fast off the line and he has nice bend around the corner. Very KGB like. But he needs a counter. He has a very good basic rush, but for most studs the counters is where they make their hay. Jones' outside speed rush is definitely good enough to work counters off of.

I agree on Jones... I watched a few of his highlights from college, admittedly not much, but enough to be able to tell he could be a good edge rusher.

For an OLB in 3-4, have to be able to get the edge... then, as you said, develop a counter.

[wist43]

Thompson makes me worried about the 'look like Tarzan, play like Jane' deal. He is an amazing physical specimen - does he have the knack? It looks like he does pretty well holding up in the run game. I want to look at his game again, specifically pass rush.

I tried to pay attention to JT for much of the game. I found his pass rush was very underwhelming. Just about every play he locked up with the tackle early and that was it. No initial moves, no edge rushes, he just seemed to hold hands and slow dance with the tackle.

Of course I didn't watch him every play, but that was my impression for the plays I watched.

I've said this about JT and Kampman both, from the first announcement that they were going to a 3-4... they're both 4-3 DE's.

Kampman looks like a fish out of water, and JT looks completely lost... neither one is an OLB.

[pbmax]

Partial, regarding your comment that Ruvell Martin probably has his choice of situations, and is simply picking and choosing now:

Are you his agent? If not, you should be.

As for the thread, I'm really curious about Jeremy Thompson. He seems, according to many posters and I think the coaches, a ton of upside, but he doesn't seem to be translating that yet. I know it's early - is this year two for him? - but I'm wondering when he's going to or if he's going to show that aggressive demeanor he supposedly needs to develop, or if it'll just come when he stops thinking.

I was mildly surprised at Brad Jones sticking, as I hadn't heard much, at all, about him. But they kept Underwood too, and he apparently had a real up-and-down camp.

The three guys I've mentioned - Thompson, Jones, Underwood - must have lots of talent.

Thompson makes me worried about the 'look like Tarzan, play like Jane' deal. He is an amazing physical specimen - does he have the knack? It looks like he does pretty well holding up in the run game. I want to look at his game again, specifically pass rush.

The superlatives about Thompson's play stopped almost as soon as they put pads on in training camp. He looked much better in shorts, even if you just go by coaches comments and media mentions. His athletic ability has not translated yet. This is the kind of player that Ted Thompson takes flyers on. His numbers, measurables and body type all match. But with some of these guys, it never translates to on the field play.

[sharpe1027]

I've said this about JT and Kampman both, from the first announcement that they were going to a 3-4... they're both 4-3 DE's.

Kampman looks like a fish out of water, and JT looks completely lost... neither one is an OLB.

In the earlier games tried to watch Kampman's rushes. IMHO, there should be no way Kampman's pass rush should be mentioned in the same sentence as JT's (unless the sentence is something like "JT's pass rush isn't remotely close to Kampman's pass rush.") Kampman's run defense also looked very solid to me. He hardly ever dropped into coverage (probably wise).

I guess maybe we can just agree to disagree because I completely disagree with you.

[rbaloha1]

The roster is fine. IMO the Packers roster is as good as any in the NFC. Numerous young playmakers.

Swain's versatility vaults him over Martin. Also Jake Allen is a better RM. RM finds a roster spot in the NFL.

[wist43]

I've said this about JT and Kampman both, from the first announcement that they were going to a 3-4... they're both 4-3 DE's.

Kampman looks like a fish out of water, and JT looks completely lost... neither one is an OLB.

In the earlier games tried to watch Kampman's rushes. IMHO, there should be no way Kampman's pass rush should be mentioned in the same sentence as JT's (unless the sentence is something like "JT's pass rush isn't remotely close to Kampman's pass rush.") Kampman's run defense also looked very solid to me. He hardly ever dropped into coverage (probably wise).

I guess maybe we can just agree to disagree because I completely disagree with you.

Yes, Kampman should have been playing LB years ago... complete waste at DE

[sharpe1027]

Yes, Kampman should have been playing LB years ago... complete waste at DE

Not my point at all...but he was playing LB years ago.

He was a great DE. History tells us that doesn't mean he will fail at OLBer.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: The Packers' Roster, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Best player available, and that was Quinn Johnson, but keeping all three of them really forces the team to cut depth at other positions namely quarterback, and the offensive line .

The QB situation works out fine with the #3 QB on the practice squad. Ya, they lose an emergency game day QB, but can anybody tell me the last time the Packers played an emergency QB? I think it was the '37 season when Stitch Martin came in off the bench against the Duluth Eskimos.

Offensive line - no loss there either. When the Packers have Breno Giacomini on the active roster, it means they didn't have any quality backups available anyway.

Johnson can ride the inactive pines, and if Kuhn or Hall are down, as they usually are for a couple games, Johnson can contribute on special teams.

[Administrator]

Wasn't Ruvell the emergency QB too?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Wasn't Ruvell the emergency QB too?

yes

[KYPack]

Wasn't Ruvell the emergency QB too?

yes

And holder
And punt returner? At least he was in his last Packer game. That was the first thought that crossed my mind when he fumbled that punt in the Tenn game. He does a lot of different things poorly.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Wasn't Ruvell the emergency QB too?

yes

And holder
And punt returner? At least he was in his last Packer game. That was the first thought that crossed my mind when he fumbled that punt in the Tenn game. He does a lot of different things poorly.

Except for chemistry.

[mraynrand]

Re: The Packers' Roster, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Ya, they lose an emergency game day QB, but can anybody tell me the last time the Packers played an emergency QB?

vs. Giants, 2004

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Ruvell may have been a Break Glass In Case Of Emergency QB, but last year for instance, Brohm would have been inactive and eligible to be the actual 3rd QB. That is not the case for the practice squad.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: The Packers' Roster, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Ya, they lose an emergency game day QB, but can anybody tell me the last time the Packers played an emergency QB?

vs. Giants, 2004

Who was the qb? How many snaps.