NFC North QB Race 2009

[sheepshead]

Look people, i know some of us like to argue, but can't you just start ignoring Partial and argue amongst yourselves?

My time out was up. I just can't stand the idiotic spew. I really wish we had an ignore feature.

Join the club. It's constant moronic drivel that really garbage's up the forum and, in my opinion keeps some from contributing in a constructive way. I think his mom works here because any one who calls him out gets slammed.

[ThunderDan]

I don't know when he lied. I know he argued his point about the last play quite vigorously and was personally attacked.

I am not innocent of not having it in for one, two posters here, so I can undertand your emotion on this.

I was going to respond but instead I will let this thread go back to its originally intended purpose.

[SkinBasket]

Pip.

[Fritz]

How 'bout that Aaron Rodgers?

[Partial]

Right now I would rate them:

1. Cutler
2. Favre
3. Rodgers -- because I think he is injured
4. Stafford looks like he could be a gamer too.

If he is injured, would he have gotten MORE accurate deep as the game went on?

Irrelevant. I still think he is hurt. He is very accurate typically, even last year, and he looks off this year to me. Vastly different from PS and even last year.

Translation:

I don't care if the vast majority of people disagree with me because I am the smartest person I know and I am always right! Also, listen to me more. I am smart and educated while you idiots are just sidewalk fodder for us intellectuals to abuse as we(I) they fit.

Actually, not what I'm saying at all. Fine, he's not hurt, he's just bad. He looks worse than average this year. He is the reason the offense has struggled majorly since he is the QB and teams only go as far as a QB will carry them. Cut the crap.

It's shit like this that you say that makes people jump all over you. Worse than average? Really? He is the reason? Not the OL whiffing on blocks? Or the receivers dropping numerous balls? Or the running game still getting on track?

Can Rodgers play better? Yes. It is hardly all on him though.

This guy has more excuses made for him than anyone else in the NFL.

His supporting cast hasn't been great, but he is playing far below last year. I think he is injured because his deep ball is really inaccurate compared to what we have seen in the past. If he is not injured, then he has clearly regressed imo and that is a scary topic in and of itself.

OL Whiffing? Throw the ball away.

Receiver dropping balls? Throw a more catchable ball. I'm don't recall the same fleet of guys have dropsies for the HOFer. Drops are never just the receivers fault as its a two person exchange.

Running game? Make some plays and make the defense be honest.

It is on him. He's the quarterback. That is the nature of the beast. He and the coaching staff are responsible. Is it fair? Not really, but he chose to be a quarterback. That's why he makes 10 mil+ a year.

He was terrible for most of the Bears game. We did nothing offensively. He was terrible through all of the Cinci game. We did nothing offensively. We had one good quarter against the Rams. Of all fricking teams, the Rams.

[Partial]

I just can't stand the idiotic spew.

Maybe, but just about everybody baits him to death around here. Sure he has strong opinions and oftentimes they aren't widely shared, but I respect him for showing the backbone to stand his ground and stick up for himself.

I can't think of a flame war that he started since coming back. He has every right to defend himself when he's attacked and he has a right to his opinion.

So, if we focussed on debating him when we disagree instead of going out of our way to personally attack him, this might be a friendlier place.

Wrong! On the whole last play by the Packers vs Bengals, he was wrong. Jordy Nelson wasn't open. The bump by the Bengal player was 3 yards down the field. And the coach of the Packers said they should have been able to run a play down the middle and get another play off.

Yet P argued every point. I really wish I had the endzone stills for that play to show the breakdown.

1. Just because Nelson only had one step on the receiver instead of 3 at the point of release does not mean he wasn't open. It could very well mean Rodgers made a poor decision and didn't wait long enough for the play to develop. This fact is ignored.

2. I don't see a bump from the footage you posted. You tell me where. Even so, impossible to ignore that Rodgers very well could have waited a fraction of a second longer for the play to develop. This fact is ignored.

3. Of course the coach is going to stand up for his quarterback. The QB is an extension of the coach. Is he going to say "Boy, the player really fucked up?" No, because coaches don't do that. There was enough time to get a play off, I agree, but not an organized, cohesive play with a huddle up that would have been doable TWICE had they gone to the sidelines or even thrown the ball away. Instead, it was chaotic madness and as a result they lost the game. Had they gone down the sideline they would have either score, or had time to huddle up twice and take two organized shots at the end zone. This fact is ignored.

I'm not wrong. You're not wrong. My team would take the statistical approach and multiple attempts. Your team would hope for a miracle of madness on a team rushing to get a play off. My team would win far more often than yours as a result of the decisions we make.

It bothers me greatly when people don't consider all of the possibilities. Any way you slice it, the decision that was made did not work out. There were obviously ones that would given a higher percentage of opportunity for success. That is all I have said all along, yet somehow this is a wrong, irrational approach to some posters here. I call it sound it math.

[Partial]

He does it for effect people. He likes the role.

Actually, I don't. I think it's unfair and ridiculous. I would love to sit down face and face to and talk football without anyone knowing who I am and most here would agree with me on most topics.

People are homers by nature. It's okay. It's a natural reaction. I try to look at things objectively. People don't like it when someone doesn't agree with there opinion. They attack me for looking at cold hard facts like losses, etc.

[Partial]

I just can't stand the idiotic spew.

Maybe, but just about everybody baits him to death around here. Sure he has strong opinions and oftentimes they aren't widely shared, but I respect him for showing the backbone to stand his ground and stick up for himself.

I can't think of a flame war that he started since coming back. He has every right to defend himself when he's attacked and he has a right to his opinion.

So, if we focussed on debating him when we disagree instead of going out of our way to personally attack him, this might be a friendlier place.

Maybe if he wasn't so stubborn in his "I'm right, everybody else is wrong, I'm smart, you're an idiot, and I'm gonna make a point about it" type attitude it would be easier. Speaking from my own personal experience with him, when I do keep focused on topic and argue just the facts presented this is what I get:

I love how you ignore the question I answered and make more excuses. You lose. Game set match mother fucker.

He loves how I ignored a question he answered (which I didn't ignore, by the way, I just didn't agree with) and made more excuses (because I didn't agree with his answer, anything I say is going to sound like an excuse to him).

At least where the arguments between he and I are concerned, he's the one to make things personal. Maybe if he didn't make things personal when we are focused on debating the topic, we wouldn't respond personally, and this might be a friendlier place.

I don't think I'm always right. I wouldn't argue or debate if I didn't think I was though, and neither would you, so in essence, everyone debating in this forum thinks they're right. So please stop with that bs story.

You ignored the question. I asked you for an organized, concise list of plays Grant has made. You did not provide this. Since you did not provide evidence to counter the evidence I provide, you lost the argument.

I apologized to you for overreacting. I'm sorry. It was out of line. My blood was boiling for being attacked for having a differing opinion.

[Bossman641]

Right now I would rate them:

1. Cutler
2. Favre
3. Rodgers -- because I think he is injured
4. Stafford looks like he could be a gamer too.

If he is injured, would he have gotten MORE accurate deep as the game went on?

Irrelevant. I still think he is hurt. He is very accurate typically, even last year, and he looks off this year to me. Vastly different from PS and even last year.

Translation:

I don't care if the vast majority of people disagree with me because I am the smartest person I know and I am always right! Also, listen to me more. I am smart and educated while you idiots are just sidewalk fodder for us intellectuals to abuse as we(I) they fit.

Actually, not what I'm saying at all. Fine, he's not hurt, he's just bad. He looks worse than average this year. He is the reason the offense has struggled majorly since he is the QB and teams only go as far as a QB will carry them. Cut the crap.

It's shit like this that you say that makes people jump all over you. Worse than average? Really? He is the reason? Not the OL whiffing on blocks? Or the receivers dropping numerous balls? Or the running game still getting on track?

Can Rodgers play better? Yes. It is hardly all on him though.

OL Whiffing? Throw the ball away.

Receiver dropping balls? Throw a more catchable ball. I'm don't recall the same fleet of guys have dropsies for the HOFer.

Running game? Make some plays and make the defense be honest.

It is on him. He's the quarterback. That is the nature of the beast. He and the coaching staff are responsible.

He was terrible for all but one play of the Bears game. He was terrible through all of the Cinci game. We had one good quarter against the Rams. Of all fricking teams, the Rams.

I don't know why I'm even trying.

Throw a more catchable ball? If the WR gets 2 hands on the ball he should catch it. I don't care if it's a duck fallin out of the sky, he still should catch it. And that's completely ignoring the fact that Rodgers throws a very nice ball.

The running game has been mostly stuffed up with 7 in the box. What do you want, 6 in the box?

[packerbacker1234]

1 Rodgers 97.2
2 Favre 94.5
3 Cutler 86.2
4 Stafford 57

Race is tightening up a bit.

Nice seeing Favre and Rodgers neck and neck there. Makes a even better matchup for next week.

[SkinBasket]

He does it for effect people. He likes the role.

Actually, I don't. I think it's unfair and ridiculous. I would love to sit down face and face to and talk football without anyone knowing who I am and most here would agree with me on most topics.

People are homers by nature. It's okay. It's a natural reaction. I try to look at things objectively. People don't like it when someone doesn't agree with there opinion. They attack me for looking at cold hard facts like losses, etc.

What you don't understand is that no one wants to sit down and talk football with someone like you in person. You don't have any idea what you're talking about and when someone presents detailed arguments and evidence that contradicts your confabulated notions, you simply ignore them or insult the other person's intelligence by claiming they're a homer. You may as well be arguing that unicorns shit purple mushrooms filled with cherry jam for how far your football arguments fall from any kind of educated subjective opinion or objective fact.

Case in point: Nelson being "open" at the end of the CIN game. Not only does your position demonstrate your lack of understanding of some basics of the game (most notably defense, offense, and coaching), but you also continue to argue in direct opposition to the reality that the video clearly shows to anyone who isn't you.

Your arguments aren't smart enough to turn you into the controversial straight talker you are trying so hard to be. There's plenty to accurately criticize about this team. There's no need to continue to make things up just to get attention.

I knew a guy in college who's mother slapped his balls with a metal spoon to stop him from touching himself as a small child. Twenty years later, he would masturbate by slapping himself in the balls with a metal spoon. Sometimes I wonder what your metal spoon was.

[Zool]

I'm gonna marry Skin some day.

[SkinBasket]

I'm gonna marry Skin some day.

We aren't already? What was all that consummation business about then you dirty whore?

[Tarlam!]

I'm gonna marry Skin some day.

No, I'm Spartacus!

[Zool]

I'm gonna marry Skin some day.

We aren't already? What was all that consummation business about then you dirty whore?

Thats just what we call pillow talk baby. I thought we talked about this already.