Players that have to go

[Bossman641]

All of our LB's except for Mathews are basicly good for sh!t.

Agreed with the exception I like how Barnett plays down hill and is at least intense and plays with fire.

Weren't you just posting like 10 days ago how worthless Barnett is?

my mistake if it wasn't you

[Partial]

All of our LB's except for Mathews are basicly good for sh!t.

Agreed with the exception I like how Barnett plays down hill and is at least intense and plays with fire.

Weren't you just posting like 10 days ago how worthless Barnett is?

my mistake if it wasn't you

Could be, he looked horrible the first few games but looked infinitely faster last week and was playing with aggression downhill. The man is back. He clearly is still working through the injury.

[Zool]

Barnett is better than Chillar when healthy but really thats not much of a compliment.

Hawk is the only MLB who doesnt get washed on run plays. He just looks so much slower in coverage this year than I ever recall. Maybe he's too bulky.

I guess I can't speak to Bishops ability because he never see's the field. That should probably say enough about him. He was a stud against 3rd and 4th stringers in the PS though.

Matthews is playing well.

How come no one ever brings up Havner? Didnt he have a catch this week?

[SkinBasket]

The man is black.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Deputy Nutz]

That sounds like a post from a guy who thinks LB's are not supposed to be making plays in a 3/4 scheme.

When did I ever say that? Because I haven't. I said they all have their roles and Barnett and Chillar have both been less as average at there roles as well.

I love Winston Moss's quote about how Hawk needs to make plays out of his own responsibilities. A dumb quote to begin with, but I saw Chillar at least three or four times continue his blitz to the backside of a play even though the play was going away from him. Chillar really has no clue other than the specific responsibility.

This team is so mest up it isn't funny. Unless I see the play of all the linebackers improve, I think Winston Moss needs to take a hike at the end of the year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

This team is so mest up it isn't funny. Unless I see the play of all the linebackers improve, I think Winston Moss needs to take a hike at the end of the year.

Agree on this. I've never been all that thrilled with Moss.

[SkinBasket]

This team is so mest up it isn't funny. Unless I see the play of all the linebackers improve, I think Winston Moss needs to take a hike at the end of the year.

Agree on this. I've never been all that thrilled with Moss.

Moss's greatest achievements have always been second hand accounts of how great he is. A great coach doesn't need his players to speak for him, their play says it all. How great have our LBs been in the last 3+ years?

There's only so many times you can blame the players, changing schemes, and defensive coordinators. At some point you have to look at the one constant, which has been Moss.

[pbmax]

PB,

I understand they played a lot of nickel, but its the hen before the egg problem. Are they playing nickel because it puts the 11 best guys on the field, or are they playing nickel because the other team is running 3-4 guys out there on routes? I barely watched the game so I have no idea. I tend to believe that if AJ was in the top 11 defenders, they'd find a way to get him on the field more than 11 snaps a game.

The defensive unit isn't like the offensive line. They need to matchup to the O's personnel. They played nickel because down and distance tendencies told them it was going to be a pass, or the O personnel package told them it had to be a pass.

[Noodle]

This team is so mest up it isn't funny. Unless I see the play of all the linebackers improve, I think Winston Moss needs to take a hike at the end of the year.

Agree on this. I've never been all that thrilled with Moss.

So, do you give Kevin Greene a pink slip too?

If so, who's got the sack to do that? Dude would kill a brother for no reason at all.

[SkinBasket]

This team is so mest up it isn't funny. Unless I see the play of all the linebackers improve, I think Winston Moss needs to take a hike at the end of the year.

Agree on this. I've never been all that thrilled with Moss.

So, do you give Kevin Greene a pink slip too?

If so, who's got the sack to do that? Dude would kill a brother for no reason at all.

Again, we've all bitched in general and specifically about linebacker play during the past few years. There's been only one constant during that time - Winston Moss.

[wist43]

Wells, Barnett, Kampman, Thompson... off the top of my head.

Long term replacements due to age - both corners, Clifton. Sans Matthews, Jones, and maybe Bishop, need a whole new LB corp... need help at S too.

Without augmenting the roster thru FA and/or trade... it's akin to a cat chasing his tail. We'll always be the youngest team in the league, and TT will never be able to fill all the holes in the roster strictly thru the draft.

I suspect that TT will begin to change his approach next year though... although the lack of a CBA may put a monkey wrench in that.

[imscott72]

Re: Players that have to go

These players suck and have to go:

1. Brandon Jackson
2. DeShawn Wynn
3. Korey Hall
4. Mike Montgomery
5. Justin Harrell
6. Patrick Lee
7. Brian Brohm
8. AJ Hawk
9. Derrick Martin
10. Jarett Bush

These guys have all done next to nothing to show they belong. I really hope they consider turning over these players on the roster as soon as possible. Most are oft-injured or just all-around poor.

I agree with all these except Hawk. I think he's solid. Not spectacular for a top 5 pick, but solid and because he was a top 5 pick he stays. The rest are worthless.

[Fritz]

Wells, Barnett, Kampman, Thompson... off the top of my head.

Long term replacements due to age - both corners, Clifton. Sans Matthews, Jones, and maybe Bishop, need a whole new LB corp... need help at S too.

Without augmenting the roster thru FA and/or trade... it's akin to a cat chasing his tail. We'll always be the youngest team in the league, and TT will never be able to fill all the holes in the roster strictly thru the draft.

I suspect that TT will begin to change his approach next year though... although the lack of a CBA may put a monkey wrench in that.

You bring up what I think is an interesting issue: without a developmental league to groom players like offensive linemen, who take often years to develop, as a GM you have a choice of having backups who are too raw to play (so they can develop for three years down the line) or backups who can step in and play adequately - which leaves you, three years down the line, with no offensive line.

I think TT and MM tried to finesse around this by shuffling the line when a guy got hurt. However, it seems that Colledge is not going to be moved now - it'll be Lang at LT behind Clifton.

You can't say the practice squad is the place for that - I submit as evidence Jamon Meredith and the tight end Miami took from the Packers' PS last year. As soon as your guy shows some development - and maybe before - he's going to be plucked.

I think that TT is starting to see the downfall of having too-young backups and thus has signed Green and Tauscher. However, it's still a pickle for any NFL GM.

My thinking is that the NFL needs a developmental league kinda like NFL - E.

[bobblehead]

Just curious (and I'm not accusing here cuz I don't recall). Have any of you who are bagging on Partial for not watching the games used the argument that we can't tell much by watching on TV, and the coaches see them every day in practice and study film in depth?

I personally think in the day of DVR and slow motion capabilies we can learn a TON from watching on TV, but many have disagreed with me. Partial is relying on the words of professionals and the different places he reads. That is as valid as me or nutz or ty watching the game. I'll bag on him for being wrong, but not on his source of information.

[Partial]

I didn't watch ONE game.