Aaron Rodgers now..

[BallHawk]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Very tough to compare him to an all-time winner like Favre(who is clearly the better QB even in the twilight of his career)

Clearly? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a majority of NFL scouts who think that Favre is a better QB than Rodgers, yet alone clearly better than Rodgers. Favre is doing a fantastic job in managing the team he has around him. So is Rodgers. They're 1 and 3 in terms of QB rating. That isn't clearly better. That's arguable, at best.

[Cheesehead Craig]

He's on pace for 4500+ passing yards, 32 TDs, and 7 interceptions in his second year as a starter. Just glad we have him for a long time.

He's a top 5 NFL QB now and he's got room to improve. We are really blessed to have him at QB.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Few would say he is anywhere near the quality of player as Peyton or Steve Young. Would you?

His play is beginning to make it a legitimate topic of discussion.

[Brandon494]

He's on pace for 4500+ passing yards, 32 TDs, and 7 interceptions in his second year as a starter. Just glad we have him for a long time.

He's a top 5 NFL QB now and he's got room to improve. We are really blessed to have him at QB.

Yea and its a shame that some fans got so spoiled from having Favre at QB that they can't see how lucky we are to have Rodgers.

[bobblehead]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Has the highest career QB rating of all time.

Although the stat is not official, because QB stats are only official with at least 1500 attempts.

Rodgers: 96.9
Young: 96.8
Peyton: 95.2

Haters discuss.

Nothing can be said. He is our future, and the future is bright.

Until he goes down with a broken "X" since his pocket presence still sucks and 50-60 sacks is gonna catch up to him/us before you know it

we once had a young QB who's pocket presence sucked so bad he ended up addicted to painkillers...his future turned out to be bright.

[bobblehead]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

Anyone want to do the research and compare YAC yards to BF's this season? And besides, leading a reciever properly leads to YAC, so part of it belongs to the QB.

What the hell, I did it myself:




NFL ranking Team YAC Pct. of total yards
6 Detroit 744 49.5
7 Minnesota 982 48.9
21 Chicago 718 42.7
29 Green Bay 712 35.5
Source: ESPN's Stats & Information

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/11318/air-and-space-talkin-yac-in-the-nfc-north

A couple of numerical parameters to keep in mind: St. Louis has the NFL’s highest YAC percentage at 53.8. Tampa Bay has the lowest at 34 percent, and the NFL’s median YAC is Buffalo at 44.7 percent.

As you can see, Minnesota by far has more total yards after the catch. The other three division teams have roughly the same total, but the Lions have the highest percentage relative to their total yardage.

LOL, according to you partial, BF isn't playing so well this season, he is merely living off his recievers making plays. but alternatly following your logic ARod is a complete stud monster. He is by far the best QB in the NFL as his YPA is tops and his recievers helping him out with YAC is 29th as a % of total yards. Sometimes you should research before accidently making everyones argument for them.

[PlantPage55]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

As you can see, Minnesota by far has more total yards after the catch. The other three division teams have roughly the same total, but the Lions have the highest percentage relative to their total yardage.

LOL, according to you partial, BF isn't playing so well this season, he is merely living off his recievers making plays. but alternatly following your logic ARod is a complete stud monster. He is by far the best QB in the NFL as his YPA is tops and his recievers helping him out with YAC is 29th as a % of total yards. Sometimes you should research before accidently making everyones argument for them.

Ah, delicious, delicious research.

I'm going to save a tab of this post so I can read it again with my morning coffee and nod in approval.

[The Shadow]

The biggest difference I've seen is I no longer get so angst-ridden when it's crunch time in a game. I just don't see Rodgers making the continual bone-head decisions that wind up losing games.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Few would say he is anywhere near the quality of player as Peyton or Steve Young. Would you?

His play is beginning to make it a legitimate topic of discussion.

Rodgers stats actually mirrored Peyton's last year. Or was it Peyton's that mirrored Rodgers? And this is all coming from a Tennessee homer! Peyton is the best QB in the league right now, and maybe one of the best to ever play the game. Check the stats for yourself though:

Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int

2008 Peyton 371 555 66.8 4,002 7.2 27 12

2008 Rodgers 341 536 63.6 4,038 7.5 28 13 Also add 200 rush yds 4 tds

2009 Peyton 271 388 69.8 3,171 8.2 21 9

2009 Rodgers 249 380 65.5 3,136 8.3 22 5 Add 250 yds and 3 rush tds

2009 Rodgers is with one more game played currently.

He's consistently looked like Peyton the first two years. That exceeds any of my wildest expectations when Rodgers played his first game for the Green and Gold. Keep your gunslinger Partial. I want a Manning clone.


edit: I'm having trouble getting the listings to line up with the stats, but it's still very readable.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Very tough to compare him to an all-time winner like Favre(who is clearly the better QB even in the twilight of his career)

Clearly? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a majority of NFL scouts who think that Favre is a better QB than Rodgers, yet alone clearly better than Rodgers. Favre is doing a fantastic job in managing the team he has around him. So is Rodgers. They're 1 and 3 in terms of QB rating. That isn't clearly better. That's arguable, at best.

I'd then argue that this season Brett Favre is clearly more efficient at the QB position than Aaron Rodgers. Re-call how they made out head-head? Favre has been the QB of the week in the FedEx 4 times to date Vs Rodgers zero. Given that and the fact that the fans know. At the end of this season I'd bet that Favre gets more votes for MVP than Aaron Rodgers.

Not to take anything away from Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has played very well given his OL's performance. I loved seeing the satisfied look on his face near the end of the Lions game on Thanksgiving day. Big cheers to Charles Woodson and Donald Driver as well.

GO PACKERS!

[PlantPage55]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

I'd then argue that this season Brett Favre is clearly more efficient at the QB position than Aaron Rodgers. Re-call how they made out head-head? Favre has been the QB of the week in the FedEx 4 times to date Vs Rodgers zero. Given that and the fact that the fans know. At the end of this season I'd bet that Favre gets more votes for MVP than Aaron Rodgers.

Not to take anything away from Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has played very well given his OL's performance. I loved seeing the satisfied look on his face near the end of the Lions game on Thanksgiving day. Big cheers to Charles Woodson and Donald Driver as well.

GO PACKERS!

I don't have a problem with your post, other than the bolded. I don't trust the moronic general collective of NFL fans as far as I can collectively throw them. Which is to say at all.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

I'd then argue that this season Brett Favre is clearly more efficient at the QB position than Aaron Rodgers. Re-call how they made out head-head? Favre has been the QB of the week in the FedEx 4 times to date Vs Rodgers zero. Given that and the fact that the fans know. At the end of this season I'd bet that Favre gets more votes for MVP than Aaron Rodgers.

Not to take anything away from Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has played very well given his OL's performance. I loved seeing the satisfied look on his face near the end of the Lions game on Thanksgiving day. Big cheers to Charles Woodson and Donald Driver as well.

GO PACKERS!

I don't have a problem with your post, other than the bolded. I don't trust the moronic general collective of NFL fans as far as I can collectively throw them. Which is to say at all.

OK. Edit that to:

" some fans know ".

[Bossman641]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Anyone want to do the research and compare YAC yards to BF's this season? And besides, leading a reciever properly leads to YAC, so part of it belongs to the QB.

What the hell, I did it myself:




NFL ranking Team YAC Pct. of total yards
6 Detroit 744 49.5
7 Minnesota 982 48.9
21 Chicago 718 42.7
29 Green Bay 712 35.5
Source: ESPN's Stats & Information

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/11318/air-and-space-talkin-yac-in-the-nfc-north

A couple of numerical parameters to keep in mind: St. Louis has the NFL’s highest YAC percentage at 53.8. Tampa Bay has the lowest at 34 percent, and the NFL’s median YAC is Buffalo at 44.7 percent.

As you can see, Minnesota by far has more total yards after the catch. The other three division teams have roughly the same total, but the Lions have the highest percentage relative to their total yardage.

LOL, according to you partial, BF isn't playing so well this season, he is merely living off his recievers making plays. but alternatly following your logic ARod is a complete stud monster. He is by far the best QB in the NFL as his YPA is tops and his recievers helping him out with YAC is 29th as a % of total yards. Sometimes you should research before accidently making everyones argument for them.

Very well done

[Partial]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Rodger's game is to make a few plays when their, but avoid making mistakes at all costs. Different strokes for different folks, but I prefer the gunslinger.

WRONG! Rodgers is a playmaker. 50 TDs in 27 career starts. Add 450 yards rushing and 7 rushing TDs to the total. Nothing against Favre, but you brought up the comparison. How about 7.6 yards/attempt in his career so far vs. 7.0 yards/attempt for Brett in his career.

He's playing very well, so I can't be too hard on him, but part of the yards per completion has to do with the YACers and the quality of skill positions surrounding him.

Anyone want to do the research and compare YAC yards to BF's this season? And besides, leading a reciever properly leads to YAC, so part of it belongs to the QB.

What the hell, I did it myself:




NFL ranking Team YAC Pct. of total yards
6 Detroit 744 49.5
7 Minnesota 982 48.9
21 Chicago 718 42.7
29 Green Bay 712 35.5
Source: ESPN's Stats & Information

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/11318/air-and-space-talkin-yac-in-the-nfc-north

A couple of numerical parameters to keep in mind: St. Louis has the NFL’s highest YAC percentage at 53.8. Tampa Bay has the lowest at 34 percent, and the NFL’s median YAC is Buffalo at 44.7 percent.

As you can see, Minnesota by far has more total yards after the catch. The other three division teams have roughly the same total, but the Lions have the highest percentage relative to their total yardage.

LOL, according to you partial, BF isn't playing so well this season, he is merely living off his recievers making plays. but alternatly following your logic ARod is a complete stud monster. He is by far the best QB in the NFL as his YPA is tops and his recievers helping him out with YAC is 29th as a % of total yards. Sometimes you should research before accidently making everyones argument for them.

Good statistics but this really pisses me off. I said he is playing very well, yet you try to interpret that as saying he is playing poorly, when that is not at all what I'm saying.

Have your stats. Stats don't tell the whole story and you know it. There is a lot more to taking a step from a good player than a great player to having pretty stats.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Have your stats. Stats don't tell the whole story and you know it.

You were the one that brought up that point about YAC. When someone actually took the time to look into your argument, it turns out to support exactly the opposite of what you were arguing. Now, suddenly your argument means nothing because it is just "stats."

You have your conclusion/opinion regarding Rodgers. That's fine. Just realize that your posts sound, (at least to me) like someone more interested in finding ways to support a predetermined conclusion than having an honest discussion with give and take.

Anyway, Rodgers is playing very well. He weathered the storm of poor line play well enough to keep them in contention for a playoff spot. Let's hope the team keeps improving. In particular, I am starting to regain some of the pre-season excitement about the D, even with the recent losses.