Number 1 rank Defense

[pack4to84]

Who would have thought after 11 weeks the Packers changing from 4-3 to 3-4 would have the number one ranked defense? I sure didn't. I would have thought top ten, but number one no way.

[RashanGary]

Re: Number 1 rank Defense

Who would have thought after 11 weeks the Packers changing from 4-3 to 3-4 would have the number one ranked defense? I sure didn't. I would have thought top ten, but number one no way.

Capers has a long history of doing just this but it's still a surprise.

[Smidgeon]

Remember the articles that were put out earlier about how well Denver and New Orleans defense was doing and how GB's defense was still sputtering? I keep waiting for those articles to be updated with new progress reports, but nothing's happened yet...

[ThunderDan]

Remember the articles that were put out earlier about how well Denver and New Orleans defense was doing and how GB's defense was still sputtering? I keep waiting for those articles to be updated with new progress reports, but nothing's happened yet...

Apparently the writers that all came out with the Dom Capers was the wrong hire and we should have picked the Saints guy's pens have run dry.

[The Leaper]

I'll give Dom a lot of credit for improving this defense...but it certainly isn't elite yet. We've just played a ton of incredibly bad offenses (STL, CLE, DETx2, CHI) and got lucky to play Dallas and SF when they were a little nicked up on offense.

Top 10 defense...perhaps. Top 5...nope, regardless of what the stats say.

[KYPack]

No, this isn't the best D in the league, yet. But it is vastly improved.

The players are always in position to make plays and there is plenty of guys giving help at the proper time. We are in position to show blitz, but don't really use the blitz to get pressure.

Both Woodson and Harris were greatly aided by getting 'em off that island in press coverage and moving them where they could both give and get help.

We now have a lot of looks, but aren't a gimmick defense.

Dom is just a very solid D Coordinator.

[Cheesehead Craig]

YPG is not a true indicator of how good an offense/defense is and it's a joke that it's all people want to look at (not a slam on anyone here). It's far too easy to look at just the yards and nothing else.

Gotta include 3rd down conv %, penalties, ppg, turnovers, sacks, hurries...

I certainly disagree that the Packers have the #1 overall defense. Not nearly enough of a QB rush to count us as a league leading defense. Our run defense is outstanding, but with Harris out our pass defense will not be as good as it has been.

I'd personally put us in the top 10 category, likely around 7-8 with all things considered. JMO.

[MadScientist]

The stats are inflated because the other teams didn't need to rack up as many yards because they got so many long returns.

[get louder at lambeau]

YPG is not a true indicator of how good an offense/defense is and it's a joke that it's all people want to look at (not a slam on anyone here). It's far too easy to look at just the yards and nothing else.

Gotta include 3rd down conv %, penalties, ppg, turnovers, sacks, hurries...

I certainly disagree that the Packers have the #1 overall defense. Not nearly enough of a QB rush to count us as a league leading defense. Our run defense is outstanding, but with Harris out our pass defense will not be as good as it has been.

I'd personally put us in the top 10 category, likely around 7-8 with all things considered. JMO.

Football Outsiders put together about the most comprehensive rankings around, and they have us at #1 too, not just based on yardage-

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

[gbgary]

YPG is not a true indicator of how good an offense/defense is and it's a joke that it's all people want to look at (not a slam on anyone here). It's far too easy to look at just the yards and nothing else.

Gotta include 3rd down conv %, penalties, ppg, turnovers, sacks, hurries...

I certainly disagree that the Packers have the #1 overall defense. Not nearly enough of a QB rush to count us as a league leading defense. Our run defense is outstanding, but with Harris out our pass defense will not be as good as it has been.

I'd personally put us in the top 10 category, likely around 7-8 with all things considered. JMO.

does anyone have a ranking based on all the other defensive stats combined? i hate the ypg stat...for both offense and defense.

[mngolf19]

YPG is not a true indicator of how good an offense/defense is and it's a joke that it's all people want to look at (not a slam on anyone here). It's far too easy to look at just the yards and nothing else.

Gotta include 3rd down conv %, penalties, ppg, turnovers, sacks, hurries...

I certainly disagree that the Packers have the #1 overall defense. Not nearly enough of a QB rush to count us as a league leading defense. Our run defense is outstanding, but with Harris out our pass defense will not be as good as it has been.

I'd personally put us in the top 10 category, likely around 7-8 with all things considered. JMO.

does anyone have a ranking based on all the other defensive stats combined? i hate the ypg stat...for both offense and defense.

Some defenses play a style that allows for yards as well but gives up few points. (see Vikes) If you have to use one stat for rating D, I'd go with points allowed.

[PlantPage55]

I'm not a big fan of yardage stats, but without a doubt, it is nice to see this.

[bobblehead]

I'll give Dom a lot of credit for improving this defense...but it certainly isn't elite yet. We've just played a ton of incredibly bad offenses (STL, CLE, DETx2, CHI) and got lucky to play Dallas and SF when they were a little nicked up on offense.

Top 10 defense...perhaps. Top 5...nope, regardless of what the stats say.

We also played the likely MVP and best RB in the game on the same team 2x....but that doesn't support your agrument. Not to mention a revived carson palmer and Cedric Benson before he got hurt.

[bobblehead]

YPG is not a true indicator of how good an offense/defense is and it's a joke that it's all people want to look at (not a slam on anyone here). It's far too easy to look at just the yards and nothing else.

Gotta include 3rd down conv %, penalties, ppg, turnovers, sacks, hurries...

I certainly disagree that the Packers have the #1 overall defense. Not nearly enough of a QB rush to count us as a league leading defense. Our run defense is outstanding, but with Harris out our pass defense will not be as good as it has been.

I'd personally put us in the top 10 category, likely around 7-8 with all things considered. JMO.

Who are the 6 better D's??

[Smidgeon]

YPG is not a true indicator of how good an offense/defense is and it's a joke that it's all people want to look at (not a slam on anyone here). It's far too easy to look at just the yards and nothing else.

Gotta include 3rd down conv %, penalties, ppg, turnovers, sacks, hurries...

I certainly disagree that the Packers have the #1 overall defense. Not nearly enough of a QB rush to count us as a league leading defense. Our run defense is outstanding, but with Harris out our pass defense will not be as good as it has been.

I'd personally put us in the top 10 category, likely around 7-8 with all things considered. JMO.

does anyone have a ranking based on all the other defensive stats combined? i hate the ypg stat...for both offense and defense.

Some defenses play a style that allows for yards as well but gives up few points. (see Vikes) If you have to use one stat for rating D, I'd go with points allowed.

I personally like to use a combination of yards and points. At the end of the day, the question becomes: can you move the ball on the defense (yards) and can you score on the defense (points). The Packers are #1 in the yards category and as of yesterday were #12 in the points category. I guess that would average out to #6.5 I guess...

@ Leaper: As for the argument about how the Packers defense doesn't deserve the ranking because of the cupcake games, give it a rest. Other teams get to play cupcake games too. Like with Tampa, even the dregs can put together a nice game against a better team. Anyone who says games don't count because of the opponent is just looking for an excuse to ignore stats that disagree with a predetermined opinion. Especially when you throw in the Cowboys (who were hot at the time) and San Francisco (who haven't had trouble putting up points with Alex Smith). That's simply blind justification.