Number 1 rank Defense

[bobblehead]

Rodgers threw three interceptions and the ST's gave up 7 points and put them at the Packers 20 on kick returns. Hard to fault the defense for that shit performance by Rodgers and the ST unit. They were put in bad spots all game long.

Yea AR threw 3 INTs but he also had 3 TDs that game. I don't really want to hear that they were put in bad spots all game when you blew a 11 point lead to a winless team in the 4th qtr. They had Josh Freeman looking like Steve McNair that game.

Agreed, can't cherry pick one situation and forgive/add on to what the defense has done. Over 11 games we are ranked #1 and you are as good as it says you are....our D is looking studly and we should be greatful after last season.

[pack4to84]

Packer vs Steelers offense ranked team faced.
Chi 23-----Ten 14
Cin 17-----Chi 23
STL 24-----Cin 17
Min 5-------SD 15
Det 26-----Det 26
Clev 32----Clev 32
Min 5-------Min 5
TB 29------Den 18
Dal 4-------Cin 17
SF 28-------KC 30
Det 26------Balt 13
______Total______
219----------210
_____AVG________
19.9--------19.1

Looking at it the Packers and Steeler play nearly the same ranked offense this season so far.

[bobblehead]

Packer vs Steelers offense ranked team faced.
Chi 23-----Ten 14
Cin 17-----Chi 23
STL 24-----Cin 17
Min 5-------SD 15
Det 26-----Det 26
Clev 32----Clev 32
Min 5-------Min 5
TB 29------Den 18
Dal 4-------Cin 17
SF 28-------KC 30
Det 26------Balt 13
______Total______
219----------210
_____AVG________
19.9--------19.1

Looking at it the Packers and Steeler play nearly the same ranked offense this season so far.

but you can't count Detroit...they are really bad

[mraynrand]

but you can't count Detroit...they are really bad

Too soon to tell.

[Waldo]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

[Smidgeon]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

There are no historically elite defenses this year. But there are a couple seasonally elite defenses. Elite is a relativistic adjective that selects the best in a sample set. If our sample set is this year, then I disagree. If the sample set is the history of the NFL, it's hard to argue against you. In that case, hardly anything is elite anymore anyway.

[Waldo]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

[Waldo]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

There are no historically elite defenses this year. But there are a couple seasonally elite defenses. Elite is a relativistic adjective that selects the best in a sample set. If our sample set is this year, then I disagree. If the sample set is the history of the NFL, it's hard to argue against you. In that case, hardly anything is elite anymore anyway.

A lot of the people going "we're not that good because of blah, blah", well, typically there will be defenses that don't have problems, that don't occasionally play inconsistent, but not this year. This year every defense struggles with something.

Mn can't stop the pass to save their life. If their pass rush fails, so does their pass D.

GB doesn't rush the passer that well.

Pit and Balt's CB play has been very subpar.

The Colts run D isn't very good.

The Pats are very inconsistent and can't rush

Denver can be had by running at them, their NT play has been terrible as of late.

SF's secondary hasn't been any good.

NO's has had CB issues, and has at times struggled to stop the run.

[Smidgeon]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

There are no historically elite defenses this year. But there are a couple seasonally elite defenses. Elite is a relativistic adjective that selects the best in a sample set. If our sample set is this year, then I disagree. If the sample set is the history of the NFL, it's hard to argue against you. In that case, hardly anything is elite anymore anyway.

A lot of the people going "we're not that good because of blah, blah", well, typically there will be defenses that don't have problems, that don't occasionally play inconsistent, but not this year. This year every defense struggles with something.

Mn can't stop the pass to save their life. If their pass rush fails, so does their pass D.

GB doesn't rush the passer that well.

Pit and Balt's CB play has been very subpar.

The Colts run D isn't very good.

The Pats are very inconsistent and can't rush

Denver can be had by running at them, their NT play has been terrible as of late.

SF's secondary hasn't been any good.

NO's has had CB issues, and has at times struggled to stop the run.

I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying that "elite" is a relative term and to defenses like Oakland's, Cleveland's, or Detroit's, all of the above are in elite territory this year. I was just giving grief over incomplete parameters in the first statement and not because I in any way disagree with the assessment.

[mngolf19]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

Because yardage stats don't mean much on their own. Combine that with say points allowed, it means much more.

[mngolf19]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

There are no historically elite defenses this year. But there are a couple seasonally elite defenses. Elite is a relativistic adjective that selects the best in a sample set. If our sample set is this year, then I disagree. If the sample set is the history of the NFL, it's hard to argue against you. In that case, hardly anything is elite anymore anyway.

Mn can't stop the pass to save their life. If their pass rush fails, so does their pass D.

Well that would be true for any defense not just MN. So how does that mean they can't stop the pass to save their life? The pass rush is part of their pass defense.

[Waldo]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

There are no historically elite defenses this year. But there are a couple seasonally elite defenses. Elite is a relativistic adjective that selects the best in a sample set. If our sample set is this year, then I disagree. If the sample set is the history of the NFL, it's hard to argue against you. In that case, hardly anything is elite anymore anyway.

Mn can't stop the pass to save their life. If their pass rush fails, so does their pass D.

Well that would be true for any defense not just MN. So how does that mean they can't stop the pass to save their life? The pass rush is part of their pass defense.

Teams with a good secondary can typically produce good pass defense despite a subpar pass rush.

When was the least time Mn had a "coverage sack"

[MadScientist]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

Because yardage stats don't mean much on their own. Combine that with say points allowed, it means much more.

Rushing yards allowed are also deceptive because teams need to pass against the Vikings because they are often behind.

[Waldo]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

Because yardage stats don't mean much on their own. Combine that with say points allowed, it means much more.

That's fine.

GB, like Mn, has given up 3 rushing TD's.

There have been less rushing attempts against Mn's D, which means that Mn gives up more TDs/attempt than GB. Mn also gives up more yards per rush than GB.

An opponent that runs the ball will on average gain more yards and score more often against Mn than they will against GB. And these stats are based on GB facing a better group of runners.

Why again is Mn that best run D?

It's Brett Favre. He's just like a kid out there. The other players like to actually have fun playing football when they are playing with Brett, therefore the bunch of guys having fun with Brett are better than everyone else, because they too are just like kids out there. Smiling and happy.

[mraynrand]

It's Brett Favre. He's just like a kid out there. The other players like to actually have fun playing football when they are playing with Brett, therefore the bunch of guys having fun with Brett are better than everyone else, because they too are just like kids out there. Smiling and happy.

Hey who let Jon Gruden in here? LOL. Good copy, Waldo.