Number 1 rank Defense

[mngolf19]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

Because yardage stats don't mean much on their own. Combine that with say points allowed, it means much more.

That's fine.

GB, like Mn, has given up 3 rushing TD's.

There have been less rushing attempts against Mn's D, which means that Mn gives up more TDs/attempt than GB. Mn also gives up more yards per rush than GB.

An opponent that runs the ball will on average gain more yards and score more often against Mn than they will against GB. And these stats are based on GB facing a better group of runners.

Why again is Mn that best run D?

It's Brett Favre. He's just like a kid out there. The other players like to actually have fun playing football when they are playing with Brett, therefore the bunch of guys having fun with Brett are better than everyone else, because they too are just like kids out there. Smiling and happy.

MN has been the top Run D(based on yardage) for 3 years running. Nothing to do with Favre.

[mngolf19]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

Because yardage stats don't mean much on their own. Combine that with say points allowed, it means much more.

That's fine.

GB, like Mn, has given up 3 rushing TD's.

There have been less rushing attempts against Mn's D, which means that Mn gives up more TDs/attempt than GB. Mn also gives up more yards per rush than GB.

An opponent that runs the ball will on average gain more yards and score more often against Mn than they will against GB. And these stats are based on GB facing a better group of runners.

Why again is Mn that best run D?

It's Brett Favre. He's just like a kid out there. The other players like to actually have fun playing football when they are playing with Brett, therefore the bunch of guys having fun with Brett are better than everyone else, because they too are just like kids out there. Smiling and happy.

Also if I use this logic, then MN has a better pass D then Pack? As they likely have more passes against them with less TDs?

[sharpe1027]

MN has been the top Run D(based on yardage) for 3 years running. Nothing to do with Favre.

I think this is closer to the truth. They had a good run defense the last couple years so it must be good again this year. At least that is what you will hear from announcers and sports writers, as they tend to stick to a concept well past its usefulness.

Ignoring past years, what about this year puts them as #1?

[Waldo]

What does Mn's run D actually do better than GB? Be run against less? Am I missing something? GB's is tougher to gain yards on or score on. What are you hanging your hat on?

Yes, Mn has given up fewer passing TD's. GB blows them out of the water in completion % (53.4 to 63.9) and ints (18 to 9), giving GB a vastly superior PRA, 73.8 (4th) vs. 88.1 (22nd). Without their pass rush, Mn's secondary is quite Detroitian. Even with their pass rush, Mn's pass D still sucks.

[cheesner]

MN has been the top Run D(based on yardage) for 3 years running. Nothing to do with Favre.

I think this is closer to the truth. They had a good run defense the last couple years so it must be good again this year. At least that is what you will hear from announcers and sports writers, as they tend to stick to a concept well past its usefulness.

Ignoring past years, what about this year puts them as #1?

Well, its no longer running - THEY ARE CURRENTLY INFERIOR to GB. That doesn't mean they suck. They are very good, just that GB is at this point, better.

If we are just going to look at history, we can always point to our 3 SBs to Minnys 0 SB and just as easily conclude - GB is currently a much better team.

[Partial]

Mn's pass D still sucks.

I don't believe this to be accurate. Minne is almost always winning so teams are passing more. They're playing prevent, taking foot off gas, etc.

Statistics may not support it but I think Minne is solid is all-elements of the game.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Mn's pass D still sucks.

I don't believe this to be accurate. Minne is almost always winning so teams are passing more. They're playing prevent, taking foot off gas, etc.

Statistics may not support it but I think Minne is solid is all-elements of the game.

You should just go ahead and finish the job Brentidict started. Become a Viking fan, and save us all a little head ache. It's blantantly obvious that Minne's biggest weakness is their secondary. Great front 7's just do a fine job of masking that weakness.

The Vikings are certainly beatable, and they aren't even the best team in the NFL. Bested by the 6-5 Steelers no less. You are what your record says, haven't you echoed that sentiment before Partial?

[mission]

Mn's pass D still sucks.

I don't believe this to be accurate. Minne is almost always winning so teams are passing more. They're playing prevent, taking foot off gas, etc.

Statistics may not support it but I think Minne is solid is all-elements of the game.

Weren't we leading big against Tampa Bay and San Francisco?

So by your logic we were just playing prevent defense and letting our foot off the gas right?

[mngolf19]

MN has been the top Run D(based on yardage) for 3 years running. Nothing to do with Favre.

I think this is closer to the truth. They had a good run defense the last couple years so it must be good again this year. At least that is what you will hear from announcers and sports writers, as they tend to stick to a concept well past its usefulness.

Ignoring past years, what about this year puts them as #1?

Not sure #1 this year, but it's due to Williams Wall and for this year more scoring from the offense therefore more passing done by opponents. And the latter can be attributed to multiple things(Favre, Rice, Harvin, better OL)

[mngolf19]

MN has been the top Run D(based on yardage) for 3 years running. Nothing to do with Favre.

I think this is closer to the truth. They had a good run defense the last couple years so it must be good again this year. At least that is what you will hear from announcers and sports writers, as they tend to stick to a concept well past its usefulness.

Ignoring past years, what about this year puts them as #1?

Well, its no longer running - THEY ARE CURRENTLY INFERIOR to GB. That doesn't mean they suck. They are very good, just that GB is at this point, better.

If we are just going to look at history, we can always point to our 3 SBs to Minnys 0 SB and just as easily conclude - GB is currently a much better team.

Chees, the point was that it doesn't have anything to do with Favre.

[mngolf19]

What does Mn's run D actually do better than GB? Be run against less? Am I missing something? GB's is tougher to gain yards on or score on. What are you hanging your hat on?

Yes, Mn has given up fewer passing TD's. GB blows them out of the water in completion % (53.4 to 63.9) and ints (18 to 9), giving GB a vastly superior PRA, 73.8 (4th) vs. 88.1 (22nd). Without their pass rush, Mn's secondary is quite Detroitian. Even with their pass rush, Mn's pass D still sucks.

So Waldo which would you rather have? A defense that is best against yards or a defense that is best against allowing points? There are lots of arguements you can make about yards not telling a whole story of how good/bad a team is. But if a team gives up few points...

[Waldo]

What does Mn's run D actually do better than GB? Be run against less? Am I missing something? GB's is tougher to gain yards on or score on. What are you hanging your hat on?

Yes, Mn has given up fewer passing TD's. GB blows them out of the water in completion % (53.4 to 63.9) and ints (18 to 9), giving GB a vastly superior PRA, 73.8 (4th) vs. 88.1 (22nd). Without their pass rush, Mn's secondary is quite Detroitian. Even with their pass rush, Mn's pass D still sucks.

So Waldo which would you rather have? A defense that is best against yards or a defense that is best against allowing points? There are lots of arguements you can make about yards not telling a whole story of how good/bad a team is. But if a team gives up few points...

GB's run D is better at both yards AND points. What on earth are you talking about? Mn's run D is better at preventing attempts. Which would you rather have?

[mngolf19]

What does Mn's run D actually do better than GB? Be run against less? Am I missing something? GB's is tougher to gain yards on or score on. What are you hanging your hat on?

Yes, Mn has given up fewer passing TD's. GB blows them out of the water in completion % (53.4 to 63.9) and ints (18 to 9), giving GB a vastly superior PRA, 73.8 (4th) vs. 88.1 (22nd). Without their pass rush, Mn's secondary is quite Detroitian. Even with their pass rush, Mn's pass D still sucks.

So Waldo which would you rather have? A defense that is best against yards or a defense that is best against allowing points? There are lots of arguements you can make about yards not telling a whole story of how good/bad a team is. But if a team gives up few points...

GB's run D is better at both yards AND points. What on earth are you talking about? Mn's run D is better at preventing attempts. Which would you rather have?

Allowing points period, doesn't matter whether by run or pass. Why would it matter with just run? MN is better at preventing points. That is the goal.

[Rastak]

There are no elite defenses this year. Just a bunch of above average ones. We are among the best of the above average teams.

There are no historically elite defenses this year. But there are a couple seasonally elite defenses. Elite is a relativistic adjective that selects the best in a sample set. If our sample set is this year, then I disagree. If the sample set is the history of the NFL, it's hard to argue against you. In that case, hardly anything is elite anymore anyway.

Mn can't stop the pass to save their life. If their pass rush fails, so does their pass D.

Well that would be true for any defense not just MN. So how does that mean they can't stop the pass to save their life? The pass rush is part of their pass defense.

Teams with a good secondary can typically produce good pass defense despite a subpar pass rush.

When was the least time Mn had a "coverage sack"

Run the tape on MN vs Green Bay for one example my ill informed friend.


And yes, I laughed out loud.

[Rastak]

The vikings are #1 against the run

I really don't see why. They are giving up fewer YPG, but the Pack has them beat at YPC, and is just as good at not allowing long runs or rushing TD's. And the Pack has faced better backs, Gore was healthy for our bout with SF, we've faced AD twice, not Grant, Dallas' rushing attack, and we've faced Benson, who they have yet to play. The only top back they've faced is Steven Jackson, who we've also played.

Because yardage stats don't mean much on their own. Combine that with say points allowed, it means much more.

That's fine.

GB, like Mn, has given up 3 rushing TD's.

There have been less rushing attempts against Mn's D, which means that Mn gives up more TDs/attempt than GB. Mn also gives up more yards per rush than GB.

An opponent that runs the ball will on average gain more yards and score more often against Mn than they will against GB. And these stats are based on GB facing a better group of runners.

Why again is Mn that best run D?

It's Brett Favre. He's just like a kid out there. The other players like to actually have fun playing football when they are playing with Brett, therefore the bunch of guys having fun with Brett are better than everyone else, because they too are just like kids out there. Smiling and happy.

Ok Waldo, let's just cut to the chase....throw out all the bullshit and see where the rubber meets the road. How do the teams match up in Red Zone defense. THAT is the bottom line, I don't care how you spin it.

I can't answer the question but I'll google away and see if I can find it.