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[sharpe1027]

how is forcing one turnover and giving up 27 points better than not forcing a turnover but pitching a shutout

Who is making a hypothetical? Surely not I. I called you on the outrageousness of your statement. Why not own up to it that you slipped up and let it go. No big thang.

Actually, you were making a hypothetical, and a rather absurd one that missed the point. Now, why not own up to it that you slipped up and let it go. No big thang.

Nothing outrageous about my statement.

The best result for a defense is scoring a TD or a safety. Next best is a turnover. Next a punt. Then a field goal. Worst is giving up a TD.

Saying that points given up is the only important factor is bad analysis. Unfortunately you are more interested in trying to "catch" me in a slip up than discussing the substance of my point. I tired of your posts. Forgive me if I ignore you for awhile. Have a good day.

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how is forcing one turnover and giving up 27 points better than not forcing a turnover but pitching a shutout

Who is making a hypothetical? Surely not I. I called you on the outrageousness of your statement. Why not own up to it that you slipped up and let it go. No big thang.

Actually, you were making a hypothetical, and a rather absurd one that missed the point. Now, why not own up to it that you slipped up and let it go. No big thang.

Nothing outrageous about my statement.

The best result for a defense is scoring a TD or a safety. Next best is a turnover. Next a punt. Then a field goal. Worst is giving up a TD.

Saying that points given up is the only important factor is bad analysis. Unfortunately you are more interested in trying to "catch" me in a slip up than discussing the substance of my point. I tired of your posts. Forgive me if I ignore you for awhile. Have a good day.

You're just wrong. Sorry. But you are. The point I argued and made a statement about was turnovers are the most important thing a defense can do. I said No, it's not, because you can still lose a game if you're getting turnovers. You're not going to lose a game if you don't give up any points.

I'm not correlating giving up points and getting turnovers. Obviously the two strongly coincide in my opinion.

There isn't anything outrageous about my post. It's factually correct. You will not lose if you do not give up any points. My other point that you can have turnovers, millions of them, and still could lose a game. Is it likely? No, but it is possible. There's nothing hypothetical about that. It's straight up factual.

There isn't anything to debate. I'm right and you're wrong in the simplest of terms. Your team could have 50 turnovers (your ideal) and mine could give up 0 points (my ideal) and my team will never lose. Not saying they will win, but they will never lose. That is the point, it's not worth debating, it was trying to make you aware of how short-sighted your statement was. I'm not interested in getting into hypothetical of "well, to pitch a shutout you need TOs" or "its rare to pitch a shutout". I'm aware of both things. It's a stupid debate imo, not worth my time, but you were factually incorrect and something needed to be said.

[sharpe1027]

You're just wrong. Sorry. But you are. The point I argued and made a statement about was turnovers are the most important thing a defense can do. I said No, it's not, because you can still lose a game if you're getting turnovers. You're not going to lose a game if you don't give up any points.

I do not believe that you are sorry, your pattern of posting says otherwise. The point you argued was never made by anyone. You are right, there is nothing to debate. Again, you show that you care more about being right than discussing the substance. How about this: I am wrong, you are right. Happy?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

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Stop injecting yourself in other people's discussion. Your "words of wisdom" were inappropriate.