Daryn Colledge Fan Club

[pbmax]

I could see it going to either way. If I was the one making the call, I would base my decision on the other choices available to me, but I don't think T2 considers that first in most cases.

Colledge is a reliable run blocker. But he remains inconsistent in pass blocking. If 19th is any kind of accurate assessment, I would seriously consider it. But since he is a guard and Spitz and Newhouse are around, TTs offer could be limited.

If he leaves, I could easily see a drop off in production even as it appears Spitz is fighting hard. While he gets beat spectacularly at times in pass pro, its harder to notice when Colledge is winning in the running game. If Spitz plays there, I would expect less overall success but fewer obvious blown protections.

[Tarlam!]

Well, PB, I am no longer adamantly calling for Colleges head, thanks mostly to your sound argumentation and the ensuing lack of sensationalism out of DC's corner.

TT is in a win/win situation. TT doesn't have to take a risk by investing big bucks and can sit back and see which season was the outlier, '08 or '09. College needs to earn the big bucks this coming season, so he'll need to do well.

All the while TT has given M3 and Campen a few more chess pieces to develop/ integrate.

[ThunderDan]

Well, PB, I am no longer adamantly calling for Colleges head, thanks mostly to your sound argumentation and the ensuing lack of sensationalism out of DC's corner.

TT is in a win/win situation. TT doesn't have to take a risk by investing big bucks and can sit back and see which season was the outlier, '08 or '09. College needs to earn the big bucks this coming season, so he'll need to do well.

All the while TT has given M3 and Campen a few more chess pieces to develop/ integrate.

Thanks to PBs persuasion, are you going to appoligize for the page 3 comments?

[pbmax]

Well, before we get too carried away, I just noticed that Ryan Lilja's name is a spot of two above Colledge. And Lilja became the fall guy for the Colts line problems this offseason after the Super Bowl loss.

Polian is not perfect and he has had trouble with the O line before, especially left tackle. In fact, I think he is trying to get bigger at it like McCarthy has mentioned as we speak. But that list apparently wasn't convincing to an NFL GM. Although, looking at the individual numbers, it appears Lilja was ahead of Colledge mainly because he was not knocked for penalties. Otherwise, Colledge had some better scores.

[run pMc]

With 60 starts, he should know what's going on by now and show some consistency.
Since he's signed the tender, let him come in and compete for a spot. If he doesn't win it, he's either a decent backup or trade material.

The stats ranking him tied with Gallery at 19 are surprising...although I noticed they only have him responsible for 12 pressures. Not sure how that jives with McGinn's rating. Clearly, he's not a good option at LT.

Not gonna join the fan club (yet). Nor am I going to get worked up over Colledge -- if they have someone better, they will play him. Personally, I wonder about Campen more than Colledge.

[run pMc]

OK found it from a few pages back...

He graded out distrously with McGinn

Quote:
Daryn Colledge: Didn't play with strength, athleticism or savvy. Allowed an astronomical 40½ pressures, 10 more than the previous leader (RG Will Whitticker, 2005) in the last 10 seasons. Not only that, but he was the runaway leader in bad runs with 18½. Four of his 7½ sacks allowed came at LT, where he was like a fish out of water. Falls off too many blocks at LB level. Just not a tough guy. His awful overtime holding penalty in the playoffs might have cost him a contract offer. Grade: D-minus

So he either gave up 28 pressures at LT, or they count pressures very differently. They also counted responsibility for sacks differently. I suppose counting this stuff is subjective. I have the feeling that he'd rank much lower if they went with McGinn's numbers.

I don't get the sense that Colledge is a top 1/3 LG. I'd put him somewhere in the middle 1/3. It's that he has good games and bad games that drives people crazy.

[Joemailman]

I wonder if Pro Football Focus takes into account how long the QB holds the ball in determining whether to charge the OL with a pressure. If they do, that might explain the difference in numbers compared with McGinn.

[pbmax]

They do use a system with a stopwatch, rather than the result, to determine effectiveness in pass blocking for O lineman. They don't mention it, but I would guess that is somewhere between 3 and 5 seconds, 4 seconds being the ideal I believe. The benefit is that this puts some of the blame on the QBs progressions, decision making and internal clock. It would explain the differences between their numbers and McGinn, even after you factor out time at LT.

But even if the system is different, the list is apples to apples. Those aren't McGinn's numbers for everyone else and the better numbers for Colledge.

What I would be curious about is if McGinn gave Rodgers credit for his own pressures. So if it was 80 for the season, was Rodgers credited with 20 or so? Or did
McGinn double count the pressures and assign them to both?

One of McGinn's criticisms of Colledge seems applicable here. I have no idea if it accounts for his atrocious numbers, but more than once, when the pocket breaks down or Rodgers needs to bail, it seems like Colledge's guy makes the hit. He may lack tenacity to finish the block at times. Perhaps part of the inconsistency puzzle.

[Joemailman]

One of McGinn's criticisms of Colledge seems applicable here. I have no idea if it accounts for his atrocious numbers, but more than once, when the pocket breaks down or Rodgers needs to bail, it seems like Colledge's guy makes the hit. He may lack tenacity to finish the block at times. Perhaps part of the inconsistency puzzle.

I'm not absolving Colledge here, but some of that had to do with Allen Barbre last year. I thought there were lots of times last year where Rodgers was getting pressure from his center/left, but couldn't roll right because Barbre had been beat. That's why Tauscher made such a difference.

Colledge does get pushed back too much though. Sometimes with disastrous results.

[Guiness]

That's some kind of a run block number for J. Evans - skews the results.
I had a look at the site, but can't quite figure out how they calculate it.

[Tarlam!]

Personally, I wonder about Campen more than Colledge.

Indeed! +1

[run pMc]

What I would be curious about is if McGinn gave Rodgers credit for his own pressures. So if it was 80 for the season, was Rodgers credited with 20 or so? Or did McGinn double count the pressures and assign them to both?

Good question...and I wonder how much of the pressures and sacks were on Rodgers holding the ball too long. I do agree having an apples to apples is helpful, and the fact that Barbre played like he was on skates probably forced Rodgers to the left.

One other thing I noticed -- where's Steve Hutchinson in that list? If he's an Pro-Bowl player, you'd think he'd have graded in the top 1/3...especially since Favre is usually good at quickly getting rid of the ball.

[pbmax]

Hutchinson was 37th. He was good in pass blocking and got horrible grades on run blocking.

37 LG (16), RG (0) Steve Hutchinson MIN 1094.....0.7.....13.3.....1.0.....-11.1.....-2.5.....3-0.....2.....2.....8

[pbmax]

All from ProFootballFocus

[pbmax]

All Offensive Lineman. Wells is best behind Sitton. Then Clifton and Colledge. But I think these numbers include Colledge's time as LT. On the Guard page he has 912 snaps and overall is at 4.8, second best behind Sitton. On this chart, he is listed at his full (LT included) 1164 snaps.