Daryn Colledge Fan Club

[hoosier]

I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

Yes, but at what cost? He want a big payday. Do you think he's worth it?

Where did the Packers finally slot him as an RFA? $1.4M for next year? That is hardly a big payday.

He hasn't signed his tender, though and I guarantee you, if the reports are accurate, he will be one disgruntled player if he doesn't get his payday.

What payday?? I have read reports (or speculations) about Colledge being upset because (a) he didn't get slotted higher or (b) he doesn't like the way the Packers have been using him, but I have never read anything that would suggest that he is delusional enough to think that he might be getting paid anything more than his slotted amount for next year. Have you read something that suggests otherwise? Or are you confusing him with Nick Collins?

[Tarlam!]

What payday?? I have read reports (or speculations) about Colledge being upset because (a) he didn't get slotted higher or (b) he doesn't like the way the Packers have been using him, but I have never read anything that would suggest that he is delusional enough to think that he might be getting paid anything more than his slotted amount for next year. Have you read something that suggests otherwise? Or are you confusing him with Nick Collins?

Not being slotted higher means he get way less money, but I vaguely remember being ticked last season 'cause TT didn't extend back then.

By not signing his tender, it's pretty clear he wants more than a 1 year 1.4 mio deal, wouldn't you say?

[pbmax]

Here are the GB Offensive stats for 2009:

379.1 ypg 6th in the NFL 24.7 ypg less than NO at #1
28.8 ppg 3rd 3.1 ppg less than NO at #1
33:03 time of possession 2nd :02 less than NE at #1

With a D- blocker it doesn't seem like any of those should be possible.

Goes to show how valuable Rodgers ability to run away from trouble really was.

True. But running from trouble like Rodgers did (esp. first half) causes almost as much trouble as it escapes. He quite literally ran into several sacks and in several other instances increased the number of defenders who had a shot at him. However, without that skill, he probably doesn't survive. I would prefer a return to the calm feet and purposeful sliding in the pocket he demonstrated in preseason and through the first half of the Bears game.

Favre, after initially running around like neo-Tarkenton while young, developed tremendous pocket awareness as a vet. I think part of the learning curve for both Colledge and Spitz in their rookie season was masked (or rendered immaterial) by Favre's lightning fast decision-making in the pocket. But as with all things, there are unintended consequences. For instance, thinking Driver would be open on his last pass that year.

[swede]

About 16.5 out of 51 were attributed to that, IIRC.

51 sacks! Wow.

I thought I'd heard that in the '09 regular season the Packers never scored at all on a series that included a sack of Rodgers.

They must have scored on a high percentage of the remaining series.

[pbmax]

As for his signing and reporting, I think he will come to camp and the mandatory sessions, but not the voluntary ones.

The Packers hold all the leverage. Unlike the last time this happened to a player who ostensibly no leverage (Grant), Colledge knows his eventual replacement is on the roster. He also knows the Packers can afford to carry the tender and will not be moved to withdraw it at a time convenient for him. And, unlike Grant, he is not exactly coming off a breakthrough year.

He needs to get his head right (it may already be there) and solve what problems he can this year so that he can qualify for a multi-year contract in one or two years. It makes no sense to sit out this season; he is bright and I don't see him doing that. The risk is even bigger than usual this year, since if he incurs fines or doesn't play part of the season, he may not have a payday next year should there be a work stoppage.

[pbmax]

About 16.5 out of 51 were attributed to that, IIRC.

51 sacks! Wow.

I thought I'd heard that in the '09 regular season the Packers never scored at all on a series that included a sack of Rodgers.

They must have scored on a high percentage of the remaining series.

At one point, the JSO had him responsible for close to 33% of the sacks, but that percentage went down as the year went on.

[hoosier]

What payday?? I have read reports (or speculations) about Colledge being upset because (a) he didn't get slotted higher or (b) he doesn't like the way the Packers have been using him, but I have never read anything that would suggest that he is delusional enough to think that he might be getting paid anything more than his slotted amount for next year. Have you read something that suggests otherwise? Or are you confusing him with Nick Collins?

Not being slotted higher means he get way less money, but I vaguely remember being ticked last season 'cause TT didn't extend back then.

By not signing his tender, it's pretty clear he wants more than a 1 year 1.4 mio deal, wouldn't you say?

I think it's probably more of a case of Colledge being frustrated and wanting the Packers to know it. No reasonable person would think that someone who has played at his level is about to get a big pay day if they can be had for less. Problem is, the party that is most likely to be hurt in the long run by his delay in signing is him. I agree with Max that the writing is on the wall and that Colledge knows how to read it. Maybe that is what has him pissed: he suspects that someone (Spitz or Lang) will be starting at LG next year anyway, so why bother being a good citizen?

[pbmax]

I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

Yes, but at what cost? He want a big payday. Do you think he's worth it?

Where did the Packers finally slot him as an RFA? $1.4M for next year? That is hardly a big payday.

He hasn't signed his tender, though and I guarantee you, if the reports are accurate, he will be one disgruntled player if he doesn't get his payday.

What payday?? I have read reports (or speculations) about Colledge being upset because (a) he didn't get slotted higher or (b) he doesn't like the way the Packers have been using him, but I have never read anything that would suggest that he is delusional enough to think that he might be getting paid anything more than his slotted amount for next year. Have you read something that suggests otherwise? Or are you confusing him with Nick Collins?

If Colledge had not been hit with a double whammy (one mostly under his control and another not) he likely would have attracted a multi-year deal somewhere with a signing bonus. Not for Hutchinson money certainly, but that bonus and first year salary would have essentially been guaranteed, which his current offer is not.

But fate intervened. His play was spotty at Guard and horrible at Tackle, so his year looks lost. I am sure he blames most of it on moving to Tackle; whether another team (or the Packers) would agree with this is an open question. But he never got to find out as the CBA cancellation and the failed NFL/NFLPA negotiations left him an RFA. So he is left to ponder what might have been.

So Tar is right that he thinks he has missed out on a better deal. But my point is that the door is shut so tight against him, he has no other option. Unlike Grant, a holdout is not going to gain him anything. And my judgment of him (just an opinion) is that he knows this. And I expect him back for the mandatory stuff.

[Gunakor]

C'mon, Dan. McGinn has better access to tape than we do and I think he's a pretty unbiased and well informed journo. He graded last season a D-Minus for DC. That's pretty darn close to an F. Doesn't equate to a servicable lineman, it equates to he was a turnstile, at least to me...

BTW, Colldge had a strong season 2008.

You are assuming 2008 was the fluke and last year was the norm. What if last year was the fluke? If he returns to his 2008 form, are you okay with him starting at LG?

[Gunakor]

I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

Yes, but at what cost? He want a big payday. Do you think he's worth it?

TT doesn't owe it to him. If no other team is willing to give it to him he has no choice but to sign his tender if he wants to continue playing football in the NFL. So we don't have to worry about what he wants. What he wants is completely irrelevant. Nobody else is going to give it to him, so we don't have to either.

If he wants any chance at a big payday down the road, he'll sign his tender and play his ass off this year in hopes of getting one. If he doesn't sign his tender, he must have an idea of somewhere else to get his big payday because it won't be from the NFL.

We really shouldn't be concerned with his contract squabbles at all. Colledge holds no leverage whatsoever. He's full of himself, but he's a serviceable lineman. He's a bust for where he was drafted, perhaps. But, as with AJ Hawk, we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with where he was drafted anymore. That's also irrelevant. True, you'd expect more than a serviceable backup from a 2nd round pick, but if he's the best backup you have you don't get rid of him simply because he was drafted in the second round. Not if you're interest is in winning football games.

[Tarlam!]

My concern with DC signing his tender is the locker room. He seems pretty chummy due in part to his interview series.

Is it common for champioship teams to have disgruntled players on their roster? I don't know, of course.

[Gunakor]

Again, I'm not concerned. If he's after a big payday, he won't become a locker room cancer and he'll be giving full effort on the field. The whole reason I'm not concerned with any of that is because he's not getting his payday this season, which means he has to play it cool if he wants one in the future.

[pbmax]

My concern with DC signing his tender is the locker room. He seems pretty chummy due in part to his interview series.

Is it common for champioship teams to have disgruntled players on their roster? I don't know, of course.

It depends on the level of disgruntlement.

On the one hand, a bunch of guys in contract drives might provide production from some unexpected quarters. But even there, if its a chase for stats (catches, rushes, INTs, etc.) that can have an impact on team cohesiveness on the field. Guys not sticking to their roles, etc.

Andre Rison was as disgruntled as they come when he arrived in GB, but he was just happy to have a chance. Walker was a distraction looking to leave. Wayne Simmons worried Holmgren but played some great football and his coaches and fellow D guys liked him.

Colledge plays a position where he would be hard pressed to perform well and simply be on the lookout for himself. He is not like a CB or safety who could abandon an assignment to try to make a big play. Or a WR who could loaf when he is not the primary target or just run blocking. He also does not seem poised to make a public spectacle. The Packers are in week 2 or 3 of the offseason program and we haven't heard boo from him since the tenders were made public at the end of Feb.

So I think Colledge would fall into the category of non-problematic disgruntled and the team could function fine with him.

[pbmax]

According to Pro Football Focus, Daryn Colledge was tied for 19th among Guards in the NFL. Ignoring injury, there are 64 starting guards in the NFL. That makes Colledge top 1/3. You also might notice Josh Sitton is 10th.

[rbaloha1]

According to Pro Football Focus, Daryn Colledge was tied for 19th among Guards in the NFL. Ignoring injury, there are 64 starting guards in the NFL. That makes Colledge top 1/3. You also might notice Josh Sitton is 10th.

Okay. Does this mean the Packers should sign your homeboy to a long term k?