Daryn Colledge Fan Club

[ThunderDan]

I agree the Pack has too much invested in Colledge to just let him go,

Colledge is what is commonly known as a "sunk cost".

No Colledge is not a "sunk cost." At this point in time he is costing the Packers exactly nothing. Colledge is not under contract with the Packers. When he finally signs his RFA tender he will be under contract. His salary will be set by the CBA at a relatively low level. Much lower than he would have of gotten as a UFA per the old rules.

As much as I don't think Colledge is a "great" starter as a backup DC has plenty of value and would have gotten multiple offers as an UFA. Teams like Washington, Buffalo, KC, Pittsburgh would have been kicking the tires.

[Tarlam!]

He may be the best LG we have still. But I remain hopeful that someone will beat him out in camp. If not, so be it, but I don't think he is deserving of any kind of long-term deal that would tie up significant dollars at that spot for a long time.

Totally agree, and it's appalling that he is the best LG and plays so inconsistantly.

TT has shown that he rewards his own when it's earned by the player rather than go via FA to fill needs. Clearly, Colledge hasn't played consistantly enough to get top Guard money - at least not from TT.

He graded out distrously with McGinn

Daryn Colledge: Didn't play with strength, athleticism or savvy. Allowed an astronomical 40½ pressures, 10 more than the previous leader (RG Will Whitticker, 2005) in the last 10 seasons. Not only that, but he was the runaway leader in bad runs with 18½. Four of his 7½ sacks allowed came at LT, where he was like a fish out of water. Falls off too many blocks at LB level. Just not a tough guy. His awful overtime holding penalty in the playoffs might have cost him a contract offer. Grade: D-minus

With two rookie guards coming in and what promises to be a heated battle with the veterans on the roster I really wonder why he hasn't signed his tender.

[retailguy]

I agree the Pack has too much invested in Colledge to just let him go,

Colledge is what is commonly known as a "sunk cost".

No Colledge is not a "sunk cost." At this point in time he is costing the Packers exactly nothing. Colledge is not under contract with the Packers. When he finally signs his RFA tender he will be under contract. His salary will be set by the CBA at a relatively low level. Much lower than he would have of gotten as a UFA per the old rules.

As much as I don't think Colledge is a "great" starter as a backup DC has plenty of value and would have gotten multiple offers as an UFA. Teams like Washington, Buffalo, KC, Pittsburgh would have been kicking the tires.

Yes, it's a sunk cost. We've dumped a ton of money into the guy and gotten very mixed results. Dumping further money, even the veteran miniumum because he "might" be able to play is asinine.

Let him go, and get the diet pepsi machine.


Dan, my good friend, we do not have to make everyone in the room an accountant. The point I was responding to talked about "investment" in Colledge, more commonly known as a time investment. You'll argue since his contract has "expired" he earned his money. I disagree, and would call Colledge a thief, giving low return for high dollars.

In any event, the investment of time in Dayrn Colledge has been wasted and that investment is indeed a sunk cost.

[Patler]

With a young player a coach is willing to accept some inconsistencies in performance as the player learns and matures. But at some point you expect to be able to rely on a certain level of performance, whatever that is. Colledge has reached the point where coaches will expect consistency.

Spitz may not have the same capability as Colledge, but has always been a consistent performer at a decent level. Assuming his back is OK (and we don't know if it is or isn't) if the two battle for a position, I expect the consistency of Spitz to win out over the unpredictability of Colledge.

Colledge is 28 years old. I don't expect much to change in his performance.

[ThunderDan]

I agree the Pack has too much invested in Colledge to just let him go,

Colledge is what is commonly known as a "sunk cost".

No Colledge is not a "sunk cost." At this point in time he is costing the Packers exactly nothing. Colledge is not under contract with the Packers. When he finally signs his RFA tender he will be under contract. His salary will be set by the CBA at a relatively low level. Much lower than he would have of gotten as a UFA per the old rules.

As much as I don't think Colledge is a "great" starter as a backup DC has plenty of value and would have gotten multiple offers as an UFA. Teams like Washington, Buffalo, KC, Pittsburgh would have been kicking the tires.

Yes, it's a sunk cost. We've dumped a ton of money into the guy and gotten very mixed results. Dumping further money, even the veteran miniumum because he "might" be able to play is asinine.

Let him go, and get the diet pepsi machine.


Dan, my good friend, we do not have to make everyone in the room an accountant. The point I was responding to talked about "investment" in Colledge, more commonly known as a time investment. You'll argue since his contract has "expired" he earned his money. I disagree, and would call Colledge a thief, giving low return for high dollars.

In any event, the investment of time in Dayrn Colledge has been wasted and that investment is indeed a sunk cost.

So you think a reasonable NFL starter that gave us 60 starts in 64 regular season games for $2.4 million over those four years is a sunk cost? GB paid Colledge $40,000 a start over his contract.

Sure it's money that was spent and will never get back but Colledge isn't the million dollar piece of equipment you put in the backroom because it doesn't meet your needs. He isn't J Russell in Oakland.

[Tarlam!]

Sure it's money that was spent and will never get back but Colledge isn't the million dollar piece of equipment you put in the backroom because it doesn't meet your needs. He isn't J Russell in Oakland.

Yes he is like equipment, but no, he didn't flop on as grand a scale as Ryan Leaf or as Russell appears he will.

The Packers invested a 2nd round pick on the guy. As a rookie LG, he was "playing out of position", because he played LT in school. Most fans demonstrated patience with the guy his first couple of years and he rewarded us with a pretty decent 2008 only to dash our hopes last season.

If we only have a "decent" back-up after 4 years and a 2nd round investment, I call that a bust. Maybe I expect too much from 2nd rounders....

[ThunderDan]

Dan, my good friend, we do not have to make everyone in the room an accountant.

Let's not kid ourselves here RG. You aren't my friend.

This is how you responded to one of my posts, after I had just joined the forum and you were still a Moderator, not having any idea of who I was.

"Dan, you really need an economics class at your local community college. If you tell me where you live, I will find a class for you to enroll in. Macro Economics 101 or Micro Economics 101 would be a great place to start."

What a friendly thing to do.

[Tarlam!]

What a friendly thing to do.

Well, that was a tough time to be a mod around here oftentimes, the tone and content was rather personal. RG was the most heavily critized of all the Mods, despite his good intentions to keep things running smoothly. I can understand why you'd be offended.

I can tell you that RG was/is very supportive; he's sent me a number of PMs over the years offering encouragement as I face(d) some pretty serious issues in my life. He's a very genuine man.

So, enough of my love fest for RG!

[MichiganPackerFan]

I won't steal the Thunder or drink the Kool-Aid - dig both you guys!

[ThunderDan]

Sure it's money that was spent and will never get back but Colledge isn't the million dollar piece of equipment you put in the backroom because it doesn't meet your needs. He isn't J Russell in Oakland.

Yes he is like equipment, but no, he didn't flop on as grand a scale as Ryan Leaf or as Russell appears he will.

The Packers invested a 2nd round pick on the guy. As a rookie LG, he was "playing out of position", because he played LT in school. Most fans demonstrated patience with the guy his first couple of years and he rewarded us with a pretty decent 2008 only to dash our hopes last season.

If we only have a "decent" back-up after 4 years and a 2nd round investment, I call that a bust. Maybe I expect too much from 2nd rounders....

Tarlam, I don't know this off of the top of my head but how many 2nd round picks started 94% of the games played in their first 4 years in the league? I don't think it is that many. The average NFL career is a little over 3 years.

Like I said before, I would be happy to replace him at LG but until we have that person on our roster it would be silly not to pay Colledge and make sure we have a servicable starter.

[sharpe1027]

Hardly anyone feels that Colledge has played consistently enough to warrant an automatic starting job. That being said, teams pay a lot of money for quality backups. He is at least that and if he could play like he did in 2008, he could be better than that.

[retailguy]

Dan, my good friend, we do not have to make everyone in the room an accountant.

Let's not kid ourselves here RG. You aren't my friend.

This is how you responded to one of my posts, after I had just joined the forum and you were still a Moderator, not having any idea of who I was.

"Dan, you really need an economics class at your local community college. If you tell me where you live, I will find a class for you to enroll in. Macro Economics 101 or Micro Economics 101 would be a great place to start."

What a friendly thing to do.

Dan, I'm very happy to hear you don't hold a grudge.

You certainly don't have to like me. Since that day, you've continously tried to "correct me". I hope you have reached a point where you have corrected me enough that you have gotten even, so you can let that go.

I do remember that thread. I do remember differing with you on many things, and probably will always disagree with you regarding those things. Since I offended you, and didn't focus very well on the point at hand, I apologize for treating you unfairly.

[retailguy]

What a friendly thing to do.

Well, that was a tough time to be a mod around here oftentimes, the tone and content was rather personal. RG was the most heavily critized of all the Mods, despite his good intentions to keep things running smoothly. I can understand why you'd be offended.

I can tell you that RG was/is very supportive; he's sent me a number of PMs over the years offering encouragement as I face(d) some pretty serious issues in my life. He's a very genuine man.

So, enough of my love fest for RG!

Aw shucks. Now I'm embarassed and Tar, you're ruining my asshole image.

Truth be told, I do have good intentions and sometimes shitty execution. I just like this place, and the vast majority of the folks I've been privileged to meet.

It's really good to see you back Tarlam!. I've missed you and your contributions.

Now, help me get rid of Colledge! We've got limited resources on the coaching staff, and we need to find someone with more upside than our good buddy Daryn Colledge!

[Tarlam!]

Tarlam, I don't know this off of the top of my head but how many 2nd round picks started 94% of the games played in their first 4 years in the league? I don't think it is that many. The average NFL career is a little over 3 years.

Like I said before, I would be happy to replace him at LG but until we have that person on our roster it would be silly not to pay Colledge and make sure we have a servicable starter.

Maybe the appropriate question would be how many players that were drafted to fill an immediate need played 94%. By asking it collectively, it's not really a legitimate comparison, IMHO. But I don't know the answer to that either!

Colledge was reported to have been "furious" that the Packers didn't tender him with a first round pick.His own opinion of himself doesn't add up to his 2009 Grade. IIRC, he reportedly wanted out of Green Bay.

If no team thinks he's worth a 2nd and no offer was made that TT needed to match, it can't be just RG and I that think he's expendable.

He may be interesting to teams as a back up, but he wants top dollars.An unhappy and demotivated Colledge after he accepts backup money from TT isn't what we fans would like to see.

I don't see this being reconciled very easily.

[ThunderDan]

Tarlam, I don't know this off of the top of my head but how many 2nd round picks started 94% of the games played in their first 4 years in the league? I don't think it is that many. The average NFL career is a little over 3 years.

Like I said before, I would be happy to replace him at LG but until we have that person on our roster it would be silly not to pay Colledge and make sure we have a servicable starter.

Maybe the appropriate question would be how many players that were drafted to fill an immediate need played 94%. By asking it collectively, it's not really a legitimate comparison, IMHO. But I don't know the answer to that either!

Colledge was reported to have been "furious" that the Packers didn't tender him with a first round pick.His own opinion of himself doesn't add up to his 2009 Grade. IIRC, he reportedly wanted out of Green Bay.

If no team thinks he's worth a 2nd and no offer was made that TT needed to match, it can't be just RG and I that think he's expendable.

He may be interesting to teams as a back up, but he wants top dollars.An unhappy and demotivated Colledge after he accepts backup money from TT isn't what we fans would like to see.

I don't see this being reconciled very easily.

With such a horrible LG it is amazing that we have been a top 10 offense for the last 4 years. And that ARod is the first quarter back in NFL history to throw for over 4,000 yards his first 2 years starting in the league.

I understand that DC is not a Pro Bowl Player but is a servicable lineman. Getting rid of DC when we don't have anyone yet who has proven that they can fill his shoes is silly. If we see that we have someone in place during training camp and the pre-season (I am not too sure of this statement after how last years pre-season went) I have no prbolem cutting DC at the end.

With no cap this year, I think a lot of vets will get cut on the last cut down because it won't screw up cap space going forward.