Packer Player Under Investigation In Sexual Assault

[falco]

My, My,

Some people let the media get them all spun up into actually slandering the Green Bay Packers and their players. Shame.

A little patience is a good thing.

Good thing you stepped in as the voice of reason.

[vince]

What are you talking about CC? I went back through this and the other thread and the only thing even close to slandering anyone that I can see is me calling Brandon Underwood a dumbfuck for his actions. I said that based on the knowledge that he admitted to cheating on his wife with two girls and managed to make that fact public. I stand by that description. Noone even remotely slandered the Packer organization that I saw.

Care to cite specific references for those blanket accusations?

[Scott Campbell]

My, My,

Some people let the media get them all spun up into actually slandering the Green Bay Packers and their players. Shame.

A little patience is a good thing.

yeah... pretty sad really. Turned out the only real crime is him cheating on his wife, right?

They're still considering charging him with solicitation. That's a crime BTW.

[Noodle]

yeah... pretty sad really. Turned out the only real crime is him cheating on his wife, right?

They're still considering charging him with solicitation. That's a crime BTW.

What's a crime? Solicitation or the fact that they are actually considering bringing a charge?

[Tarlam!]

Under the new NFL regime, this was a really stupid thing to do. I didn't know prostitution is illegal in WI.

With what has come out in the press so far that appears to be accurate, Goodell has enough to suspend or fine Underwood. It's not acceptable for NFL players to hang out with working girls if prostitution is illegal. He's admitted to sex, they have been (reliably?) identified as prositutes.

That's at very least a personal invite to NYC.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Scott Campbell]

yeah... pretty sad really. Turned out the only real crime is him cheating on his wife, right?

They're still considering charging him with solicitation. That's a crime BTW.

What's a crime? Solicitation or the fact that they are actually considering bringing a charge?

[vince]

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A TIME OUT OUT FROM THE STUPIDITY AND UNINFORMED SPECULATION!!

Some people let the media get them all spun up into actually slandering the Green Bay Packers and their players. Shame.

CC, since you can’t seem to cite even one reference defending your defaming statements about contributors to this thread being stupid and slanderous (neither could I), I can only assume those defaming accusations to be false.

How ironic.

[pbmax]

My, My,

Some people let the media get them all spun up into actually slandering the Green Bay Packers and their players. Shame.

A little patience is a good thing.

yeah... pretty sad really. Turned out the only real crime is him cheating on his wife, right?

They're still considering charging him with solicitation. That's a crime BTW.

It might not be a crime in the wilderness.

For what its worth, LeRoy Butler was on local radio and mentioned he heard there had been a theft. So at least those two (Michels and Butler) are hearing the same rumor - or talking to each other.

Underwood is a dope. And Justin called the women taking advantage of him if Michels/Butler are right. Though that was after he tried to avail himself of an illegal business arrangement. Again, I am stunned that I might have more game than an NFL player. Just not the bank account.

[RashanGary]

Vince, you went on and on about how Matthews not defending Underwood was fishy. You sited the dumb-ass JS piece saying Underwood had a "problem" since coming out. When someone said Matthews might have been jsut pissed that hsi charity was undermined by this, you brought up how fishy it is that Matthews didn't defend his teammate.

You were on the exact opposite end of me. I said the whole thing seemed fishy but maybe he did do it. You kept talking about how fishy Underwood was, but were open to him not doing it.

Maybe you didn't go out and start a lynch mob, the same way I didn't call those girls whores until I found out they were whores, but you were clearly leaning toward Underwood doing it. That's how I read it anyway.

I know you listen to all of hte Packer interviews. The list you had in the beginning of this thread was spot on (except I would have taken Colledge out of it), but you ended up running with a lot of JS pimped drama that many of us know can't be trusted.

[CaliforniaCheez]

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A TIME OUT OUT FROM THE STUPIDITY AND UNINFORMED SPECULATION!!

Some people let the media get them all spun up into actually slandering the Green Bay Packers and their players. Shame.

CC, since you can’t seem to cite even one reference defending your defaming statements about contributors to this thread being stupid and slanderous (neither could I), I can only assume those defaming accusations to be false.

How ironic.

Okay, Mr unobservant. Just remember you are the one that demanded it and threw your fellow posters under the bus.
Fellow posters blame Vince for being thrown under the bus.


The Packers are no longer winning the offseason.

I think Jarrett Bush set this whole thing up.
I've read that he already has compromising pictures of TT, so he's obviously capable of such underhanded tactics.

Must be nice to have the cops stop by for a quick bong hit.

It seems like Clay Matthews is throwing his teammate under the bus a bit, either to cover his own ass or perhaps because he's representing the frustration he and his teammates feel for Underwood's repeated behavior.

Mathews was accused of roiding

Look what happens here when someone suggests maybe this guy didn't do it. Saying that is calling a potential rape victim a liar to some, you'd have womens rape associates throwing fits like you've never seen and it's a very real possibility she's a victim,

Matthews thinks he's guilty

No doubt that they are separating themselves from him by their words here. It's quite possible that the team has coached them to do that,

Prostitution is more damning than sexual assault.

Favre was guilty of mass adultery, regularly being publicly drunk and disorderly and his immaturity level, well.... Where was the moral outrage during his heydays? Oh, how naive of me. It's part of his "legend".

The apparent double standards displayed on ethics in the USA never ceases to amaze me.

Two strippers putting on a show for the boys.

Sounds like Brandon stayed around for an extra show. After it was over, those kind of girls like to get paid for their service. If you don't pay, they will damn sure try to get you to pay.

But what if Underwood wasn't the one that lined up the strippers?

Just because he denies it, doesn't meaN he's innocent.

The "grizzled vets" comments were totally sexist.

Maybe the players stuck Brandon with the bill?

Those women get the money for those shows up front.

Brandon arranged his own little command performance. He felt they were off the clock when they partied with him. They felt otherwise and used the long arm of the law to help them collect.

If Underwood is a phycho-brilliant premeditating predator, I think he's going to have a hard time manipulating a couple of 30+ grizzled vets into a position they don't want to be in after meeting them out on the town.

The Packers look bad no matter what.

They did provide a bachelor-party like performance for the players, and if the other players did partake in the performance including Matthews (Act 1 anyway), Underwood may well feel like he's been thrown under the bus and shown a lack of support by Matthews.

Matthews presumably hooted and hollered with each act of girl-on-girl entertainment. Who wouldn’t? Underwood clearly took things too far

I think there's little question that they were strippers KY. They may have told the police they ware just "patrons." They may have gotten recruited to do a private show before taking the stage,

Two girls from Milwaukee travelling up to Cruisin' Chubby's who end up at what sounded like a bacheolor party and both end up in a guy's bedroom

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In the end we have:

1) Brandon Underwood was the victim of theft.
2) The thieves lied to the police in an attempt to get away with the theft.


It probably would have been better had he allowed the theft to take place in anonimity.

Lessons learned:

1) Associating with criminals will always burn you.

2) No possession is worth sacrificing your reputation or harming your family.

3) Even if you are pregnant or have a newborn at home you still have to find ways of meeting your husbands needs.

4) Don't play another person's game.

5) Experience and treachery win over youth and strength.

6) Sometimes you are alone and have to make a decision. Think ahead.
Airplanes do not pull over and stop, taxicabs are only in populated areas, always have a plan B.

7) Embarrassment is one of women's primary weapons. Never underestimate it. Don't give them ammunition.

[RashanGary]

Take #3 out, you'll get a lot better responses.

[Scott Campbell]

3) Even if you are pregnant or have a newborn at home you still have to find ways of meeting your husbands needs.

[MJZiggy]

the assuming that a woman who makes such an accusation is a whore

What about the assumption (by many here and I'm sure many around the country) that the man must be guilty because he was accused? I mean, they wouldn't have accused him if he hadn't done it right?

It's that pesky rush to judgement so as to prove how smart we are that seems to be the problem.

Have you considered that neither response is correct? Though the debate on the situation is quite interesting, wouldn't you agree?

[MJZiggy]

Tar, there's a world of difference between this and Favre, in that Favre, in his drunken womanizing days was not yet married to Deanna. It was after he'd gone to rehab and dried out that they married--I believe the year of the Superbowl win (or possibly the year after) when she left his bags on the doorstep. It was then that he cleaned up his act. Further, I hardly think that Favre would have needed to go to a place like "Chubbies" to get laid in his heyday.

So, you're suggesting the fact that they lived in a defacto marriage (that was clearly intended to consummated) and had a baby girl in 1989 is irrelevant?

You're suggesting that B. Lorenzo gets a pass because he didn't need to pay for his adultery or that his preferred hunting grounds were classier establishments than Chubby's?

You know I love you Ziggy, but your double standards are just as nausiating to me as those of the others.

I don't believe he had any intention to marry her until he found his suitcase on the doorstep. How old was that little girl before her parents wed?

Deanna forced his hand. If she hadn't, I truly believe he'd still be chasing women every night and probably would have drank himself out of football. Yes, I see that as different from Underwood's situation.

And for the record, if it had been him and there was a more clear cut case of assault (like Pantsontheground Ben) I'd have the same reaction. Being a quarterback does not permit one to force himself on whomever he wants. I'd have advocated tying his dick around the jail bars and letting folks slap his ball on the way back to their cells.

[RashanGary]

Yeah, fucking around on the mother of your children and commitment of your life is just fine.

Before my wife and I were married, I wonder how she might have felt?


As far as I'm concerned the commitment means more than the paper and Favre was committed when he was doing that to his lover and mother of his children.

We are all human though. He deserves credit for admitting his problems and working it out. Hopefully he can do that with his more recent errors in judgment, but something tells me he's so full of himself, he'll always blame everyone else.