Packers Land RB AVG 4.8 Yards Per Carry

[run pMc]

Interesting stats, but I agree with Brandon494 that 17 carries isn't a very big sample size. If he's averaging 4.8 ypc after 100 carries then I'd be very impressed.

That said, I'm guessing Nance and Starks will battle for that #3 RB spot. I can't imagine with Harris, Bigby and Starks coming off the PUP they'll keep that many RBs on the roster. They'll have to cut somebody.
If Nance sparkles maybe they redshirt Starks onto IR with a phony injury.

[SkinBasket]

Interesting stats, but I agree with Brandon494

You're only agreeing with him because he's black.

I would like to point out we're talking about Brandon494, who anointed Dez Brayant a hall of famer before he ever caught a pass, but 17 carries isn't a "big enough sample size" to judge a RB?

I wonder what the defining difference between those two players is? I mean other than their real world production?

[Brandon494]

If you can find where I ever wrote Dez will be a HOF then I'll answer that question. I believe I said Dez will be a star reciever in this league one day while another poster declared he would be a bust.

[RashanGary]

We'll see how it all shakes out. Kuhn is better than I thought. He'll make a nice change of pace back. Hopefully Nance or Starks turns into a solid runner for us. I don't think you want Kuhn as your primary back, although there's nothing wrong with feeding him 10 carries in a game.

I liked who when Jackson was in, they did a lot of dump offs in open space to him. He catches the ball really well.

We're not getting the running yards with him, but he has been opening up a new wrinkle that we didn't have with Grant.

[SkinBasket]

If you can find where I ever wrote Dez will be a HOF then I'll answer that question. I believe I said Dez will be a star reciever in this league one day while another poster declared he would be a bust.

Now we're going to get all semantical? Oh, snap!

Dez Byrant is the next big thing at reciever

Dez Byrant will be a stud in this league and you can quote me on that.

So you just believe he has undeniable (yet unproven) talent, will be the best WR in the league and a "stud" (you said I could quote you) in the league, but apparently he won't be a HOF player? Fine. Can we quote you on that too?

Guess I confused your glamorous premature assessment of Dez's mystical future with JH's. You guys were both so excited about him, it's hard to separate one jet of spooge from another.

Will you grace us with an answer now, or will your assessments of non-skin color based talent/production remain a mystery to us for all time?

[run pMc]

You're only agreeing with him because he's black.

I would like to point out we're talking about Brandon494, who anointed Dez Brayant a hall of famer before he ever caught a pass, but 17 carries isn't a "big enough sample size" to judge a RB?

I wonder what the defining difference between those two players is? I mean other than their real world production?

LMAO

Too early to say with Dez Bryant IMO. Ask me in 2 years.
All I know right now is Bryant is talented and that Bryant's career is 3 games to Kuhn's 5 years. I'd expect coaches would know if Kuhn was a future HOFer by now. If Kuhn belated blooms into the 2nd coming of John Riggins, then I'll be surprised and very very happy.

[packerbacker1234]

ALl I know is, just like LT on the jets - the man has earned the right to see what he can do with more carries. He is a punishing style runner, very physical at the point of contact. Those type of runners are the sort that wear down defenses over the course of a game.

10 carries sounds nice, but with 20 he would really be wearing them down by the 4th quarter. With Hall and Quin Johnson at FB, it's not like we really need him to play FB ever.

[mraynrand]

I feel like this thread is turning into France, circa 1938. The Packers are going to pound the ball? It's like arguing in favor of the Maginot line. The Packers have a sophisticated aerial attack, and need only a little running to keep the defense honest. The way this discussion is headed, someone is going to start talking about using the football equivalent of the cavalry - locking arms.

[Fritz]

The running game mostly sucks because the Packers have two starting tackles who can no longer run block. At all. They know it. They made a calculated decision to start them against Chicago to protect Rodgers, and pass the ball. Jackson is perfectly able to catch the short pass. Kuhn is perfectly able to run the ball here and there to just keep the defense honest. If they want to pound the rock any more than that, then they have to replace Clifton and Tauscher. And maybe get a better RB in there. Maybe replacing Clifton and Tauscher they don't get hurt in pass pro, but you don't test that out at Chicago against Peppers and that line. Maybe they do it this week against Detroit. Maybe they will be forced to when Clifton and Tauscher can't suit up.

I think this is the central issue. Ain't nowhere for no one to run.

[sharpe1027]

ALl I know is, just like LT on the jets - the man has earned the right to see what he can do with more carries. He is a punishing style runner, very physical at the point of contact. Those type of runners are the sort that wear down defenses over the course of a game.

10 carries sounds nice, but with 20 he would really be wearing them down by the 4th quarter. With Hall and Quin Johnson at FB, it's not like we really need him to play FB ever.

How many drives would end up being killed to get him the 20 carries? That's the real problem. I'm sure they'd have no trouble giving him 30 carries, so long as they were moving the ball. If a team played the run honestly, I am willing to bet that his Yds/Att would suddenly drop.

[Brandon494]

If you can find where I ever wrote Dez will be a HOF then I'll answer that question. I believe I said Dez will be a star reciever in this league one day while another poster declared he would be a bust.

Now we're going to get all semantical? Oh, snap!

Dez Byrant is the next big thing at reciever

Dez Byrant will be a stud in this league and you can quote me on that.

So you just believe he has undeniable (yet unproven) talent, will be the best WR in the league and a "stud" (you said I could quote you) in the league, but apparently he won't be a HOF player? Fine. Can we quote you on that too?

Guess I confused your glamorous premature assessment of Dez's mystical future with JH's. You guys were both so excited about him, it's hard to separate one jet of spooge from another.

Will you grace us with an answer now, or will your assessments of non-skin color based talent/production remain a mystery to us for all time?

Anquad Boldin, Bradon Marshall, Roddy White, Chad Ochocinco

All stud WRs but none will be HOFers in my mind. So just because I stated Dez will be a stud in this league does not mean I think he will be the best reciever nor HOF WR so you can stop trying to twist what I wrote.

Also Kuhn being white has nothing to do with why I don't think he'll suceed as a RB. Dude has yet to even carry the ball in double digits yet some want to claim him as the next Riggins? Kuhn is too slow and does not have the moves that you want in a RB. You really think teams are going to prepare how to stop Kuhn? Of course not, so just because he broke off one big run doesnt mean he could put up a 4.8 ypc with more attempts.

Now Peyton Hillis on the other hand is a rushing FB who I do like and guess what hes white!

I do find it funy that you think I believe Dez has potential because hes black and Kuhn doesnt because hes white. Might want to ask any NFL expert about both players and I guarntee that most will agree with me.

[SkinBasket]

So just because I stated Dez will be a stud in this league does not mean I think he will be the best reciever nor HOF WR so you can stop trying to twist what I wrote.

I didn't twist what you wrote. In fact, I made a point of admitting that I confused what JH wrote with what you wrote, no matter how similar the meaning.

Also Kuhn being white has nothing to do with why I don't think he'll suceed as a RB.

But what separates Kuhn's limited carries from Dez's 0/0/0/0 statline at the time? You were willing to go to bat for one while disregarding the other. One isn't worth regard, yet the other is a Brandon-proclaimed "next big thing" and a "stud in the league." I'm just trying to understand why one has production to back him up and the other doesn't, yet you're confident in discounting those numbers.

Now Peyton Hillis on the other hand is a rushing FB who I do like and guess what hes white!

What separates the two other than one good fantasy football day? The only comparison you offer is that they are both white FBs. I'm more interested in what makes them different.

I do find it funy that you think I believe Dez has potential because hes black and Kuhn doesnt because hes white. Might want to ask any NFL expert about both players and I guarntee that most will agree with me.

First, I'm going to ask the dictionary where you went wrong. Second, I'll ask spellcheck where you went wrong. Third, I'll ask someone somewhere where I made such an accusation concerning you. I'm just trying to find what you feel is so different between the two. The fact you make the jump to race makes me a wee bit suspicious though.

[bobblehead]

Now Peyton Hillis on the other hand is a rushing FB who I do like and guess what hes white!

FUCK....I just put in for him in my fantasy league....gonna go back and try to drop him....I didn't know he was white.

[Brandon494]

So just because I stated Dez will be a stud in this league does not mean I think he will be the best reciever nor HOF WR so you can stop trying to twist what I wrote.

I didn't twist what you wrote. In fact, I made a point of admitting that I confused what JH wrote with what you wrote, no matter how similar the meaning.

Also Kuhn being white has nothing to do with why I don't think he'll suceed as a RB.

But what separates Kuhn's limited carries from Dez's 0/0/0/0 statline at the time? You were willing to go to bat for one while disregarding the other. One isn't worth regard, yet the other is a Brandon-proclaimed "next big thing" and a "stud in the league." I'm just trying to understand why one has production to back him up and the other doesn't, yet you're confident in discounting those numbers.

What seperates them? One is a 1st round draft pick even though he only played three games in 2009 while the other is an undrafted FB who is a 5 year veteren. Do you believe Kuhn has more potential then Dez Bryant? Of course not so wtf are you trying to prove? It has nothing to do with stats. I've watched both these guys play the game of football and I believe Dez Bryant will be a star in this league at WR while Kuhn will not suceed as a running back.

Now Peyton Hillis on the other hand is a rushing FB who I do like and guess what hes white!

What separates the two other than one good fantasy football day? The only comparison you offer is that they are both white FBs. I'm more interested in what makes them different.

What separates them? Have you ever seen Peyton Hillis play? No? Well go youtube him and see how stupid that question is.

I do find it funy that you think I believe Dez has potential because hes black and Kuhn doesnt because hes white. Might want to ask any NFL expert about both players and I guarntee that most will agree with me.

First, I'm going to ask the dictionary where you went wrong. Second, I'll ask spellcheck where you went wrong. Third, I'll ask someone somewhere where I made such an accusation concerning you. I'm just trying to find what you feel is so different between the two. The fact you make the jump to race makes me a wee bit suspicious though.

Exactly what does it make you suspicious of? I would LOVE to hear this.

[swede]

What would Jimmy the Greek say about the superiority of the black athlete?