LeRoy: Brett Better Than Aaron

[Scott Campbell]

I can't fault LeRoy here.

I can't fault LeRoy for thinking it. But I can find plenty of fault for his crappy timing.

[Packers4Glory]

I can't fault LeRoy for thinking it. But I can find plenty of fault for his crappy timing.

wait..wut? crappy timing? have you not seen how AR responds, with his play, when things like this happen? I think the perceived slight from Favre prior to this season even started helped fuel AR's fire.

I'm glad he's throwing more gas on that fire in time for the Pack's first playoff game.

[Joemailman]

Maybe Leroy is just feeling sorry for Favre these days, because in June 2009, he said this:


leroy butler
I heard a rumor that Brett Favre signed with the Vikings - It doesn't matter because Aaron Rodgers is still the best QB in the division!
23 Jun 09 via web

[Scott Campbell]

wait..wut? crappy timing? have you not seen how AR responds, with his play, when things like this happen? I think the perceived slight from Favre prior to this season even started helped fuel AR's fire.

I'm glad he's throwing more gas on that fire in time for the Pack's first playoff game.

I seriously doubt Rodgers needs any more motivation for a playoff game. The guy already plays with a chip on his shoulder.

[Packers4Glory]

Favre had Sterling Sharpe. And I'd take Sterling over every modern day WR the Packers have had--excepting maybe Lofton. While Jennings is Top 10, maybe Top 5 in the league this year and last, he's still got nothing on Sterling.

Plus, like someone else mentioned, he had Ahman Green. Pretty outstanding RB.

He had some good weapons over the years...but never the talent that AR currently has as a whole. Not even close. As mentioned, Billy Schroeder led the team in receiving once. Favre had 1 or 2 good guys around him. AR has 5 really good WR and one of the more talented TE right now.

plus are you telling me that the game is really the same today as it was in the mid 90's? because QB's are owning the NFL at a rate never seen in its history. Favre's 2009 season is a perfect example of how the rules have really changed the game for the QB. Not many QB's have come out and had a season like he did for the Vikes that yr at that age. His best QB rating ever at the very end of his career? GTFO. A Favre playing in his prime today would be the best QB in football.

Favre statistically had a better 2009, at the end of his career, than AR had last yr or in 2009. In the 90's it was rare to see a QB finish w/ a 100 rating, much less the ratings guys are putting up today.

Its too bad Sharpe got hurt because he and Favre would have been unstoppable.

but nice try at grasping at straws. It would be nice to see some intelligence when it comes to Favre instead of irrational emotional BS revisionist thinking.

So far AR has stepped in and there has been absolutely zero drop off in the QB play we had grown accustomed to the previous 16 years. That's what really should be the focus as we sit here and witness AR write his own legacy.

It kinda pisses me off to see people want to start discounting the Favre era and using AR to rip on him. SO what Favre left. get over it nancy. its a business. shit happens. it doesn't change what he brought to this team when he was here. it was a different game then, and if you can't see that when you're doing your comparison then IDK what to tell ya.

[Brando19]

Maybe Leroy is just feeling sorry for Favre these days, because in June 2009, he said this:


leroy butler
I heard a rumor that Brett Favre signed with the Vikings - It doesn't matter because Aaron Rodgers is still the best QB in the division!
23 Jun 09 via web

Nice find, Joe! Maybe someone needs to bring this to Leroy's attention.

[Packers4Glory]

Nice find, Joe! Maybe someone needs to bring this to Leroy's attention.

why is everyone here so dumb when it comes to Favre?

Is it not possible to think that Butler thought AR was the best QB in the division in 2009 when Favre was at the end of his career and AR was just coming into his own? Thats a far cry from being the best overall in his mind? yeah great find.....

[Smidgeon]

He had some good weapons over the years...but never the talent that AR currently has as a whole. Not even close. As mentioned, Billy Schroeder led the team in receiving once. Favre had 1 or 2 good guys around him. AR has 5 really good WR and one of the more talented TE right now.

plus are you telling me that the game is really the same today as it was in the mid 90's? because QB's are owning the NFL at a rate never seen in its history. Favre's 2009 season is a perfect example of how the rules have really changed the game for the QB. Not many QB's have come out and had a season like he did for the Vikes that yr at that age. His best QB rating ever at the very end of his career? GTFO. A Favre playing in his prime today would be the best QB in football.

Favre statistically had a better 2009, at the end of his career, than AR had last yr or in 2009. In the 90's it was rare to see a QB finish w/ a 100 rating, much less the ratings guys are putting up today.

Its too bad Sharpe got hurt because he and Favre would have been unstoppable.

but nice try at grasping at straws. It would be nice to see some intelligence when it comes to Favre instead of irrational emotional BS revisionist thinking.

So far AR has stepped in and there has been absolutely zero drop off in the QB play we had grown accustomed to the previous 16 years. That's what really should be the focus as we sit here and witness AR write his own legacy.

It kinda pisses me off to see people want to start discounting the Favre era and using AR to rip on him. SO what Favre left. get over it nancy. its a business. shit happens. it doesn't change what he brought to this team when he was here. it was a different game then, and if you can't see that when you're doing your comparison then IDK what to tell ya.

Listen, you said that Favre never had the talent Rodgers had. I'm not disagreeing with that on a whole.

But individually I still say that Sterling was more talented than anything the Packers have now. He led the league in receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns several times and was in the Top 5 in 6 of his 7 years in the league. Sterling today would still be at or near the top of the league in all those categories. And that is all I was contesting. Favre wasn't bereft of talent either.

As for the bolded parts, you certainly seem to be making some assumptions about what I feel about the QBs. I haven't said one way or the other how I feel, so keep the editorializing to yourself.

[Pugger]

I've really tried to stay out of the Favre/Rodgers battle. Very hard to compare the 2 IMO. I grew up loving Favre, and I pretty much love Rodgers as much as I once loved Favre. The biggest thing that is hard for some people is the fact the Favre was as much a "caricature" as he was an athlete for GB. He would do something in a game and people would laugh and fall more in love with him because he was just having fun and so on. Favre did some amazing things, no question, but there were many times he would make mistakes early in his career, but had an amazing defense that could make up for his mistakes. Later in his career that fact showed it's ugly face a lot. Granted he had some great years without a very good defense though. He also put up some crazy numbers without the type of talent Rodgers has right now. You can look and see Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, antonio Freeman, Donald Driver...but none of them really played together at the same time. Sterling was with Brooks, but Brooks wasn't really used...then Brooks took over, and Freeman was the lesser used, than Freeman took ove and Driver was the lesser used...GB has had a nice run of #1 recievers, but never had likely 4 #1 guys on the team at one time, PLUS a pretty good TE in Finley. I mean come on, Bill Schroeder led the team as a receiver one season. The Packers running game for many years early in Favre's career were screens and dump off passes.

Now on the flip side, Rodgers is a Quarterbacks Quarterback. I would assume Rodgers could develop into a very good coach some day given his attention to detail. If Rodgers didn't walk into a situation that had Driver and Jennings year 1, it could have been a bad start for him. but Thompson has loaded this team with weapons, and doesn't care if we have 6 WR's to compete for 5 spots as long as the best 5 make it...at any position. I love Rodgers, we have to credit some of his success to the talent that's been placed around him. BUT...I don't think Brett Favre could have made some of the throws that Aaron Rodgers has made in the past year. He's been fun to watch, and I hope we can get some OL talent around him to keep him upright for many years. How many teams can say they had 2 HOF QB's play back to back and it lasted potentially 30 years? Bear fans will hate us.

I think they already do.

[Pugger]

If you gave me a choice of Favre or Rodgers, each in his prime, I'd take Rodgers every time. Whether for a whole season, or for one game, I'd take Rodgers.

Put them on opposite teams playing one another, with equal defenses and equal offensive talent at other positions, and Rodgers's team will win because Brent will make more mistakes.

This. Favre was great but he was too reckless with the ball, especially after Holmgren left.

[Patler]

There's a reason the organization wanted nothing to do with Butler after he retired and he kept skulking about the stadium begging for something to do. The guy's a retard. A talented retard, but definitely a retard. Christ, even Edgar Bennet could get a job with the team after his playing days were over.

Interesting point, because Butler openly and publicly campaigned for a coaching-type job for several years, and nothing came of it in GB or anywhere else.

Didn't he have a very short-lived PR type job with them? It seems to me they parted after just a couple months, with neither side saying much about it. Or am I thinking about the wrong former player?

[easy cheesy]

Who gives a fucking shit about what LeRoy Butler says about anything or anybody? JHC! Fuck him. He is irrelevant to the tasks/journey at hand. Bitter much LeRoy? All this "blah, blah, blah" going on... let's just win... how about that? GO PACK GO!!!

My Cat that's a Duck named Jaques already knows how to use the litter box but I may be able to hire a Butler as my official "scooper"....

Sidebar... this Favre VS Aaron shit is really tedious.... at best. Fuck Brat Fart... Go Aaron... Beat the "G" Men... Put Brees in his place... win another ring... DESTINY!!!!!

[easy cheesy]

... and LeRoy started the LL... how quickly we forget... I sure don't give a shit... "Leap over this asshole!".... hmmmm... I seem to be a bit crusty and combative tonight.... good for me.... time for nighty night... lolz

[Tarlam!]

leroy butler
I heard a rumor that Brett Favre signed with the Vikings - It doesn't matter because Aaron Rodgers is still the best QB in the division!
23 Jun 09 via web

Nice find, Joe! Maybe someone needs to bring this to Leroy's attention.

Is it not possible to think that Butler thought AR was the best QB in the division in 2009 when Favre was at the end of his career and AR was just coming into his own?

4Glory, I think you attacking posters wrt their ill views on Bert is a complete waste of time. By all means, go after the content; but calling people dumb takes away from your own content, which in this case, I agree with. It was my initial thought, too and if challenged, Bertler would probably say that.

In no way are the two comments contradictory.

[Kiwon]

Of course, both guys are great QBs, but this is one thing I think about - INTs and Fumbles (Lost and Not Lost)

Through first 69 games:

Favre - 68 INTs / 45 Fumbles
Rodgers - 38 INTs / 30 Fumbles

Favre obviously gave the other team a bunch of extra possessions. I certainly appreciate A-Rod when it comes to ball security.