LeRoy: Brett Better Than Aaron

[Brando19]

sorry dickweed, but the 2 statements were totally unrelated. So, yes, your opinion is dumb.

Totally unrelated? Did you ride the short bus?

[Tarlam!]

sorry dickweed, but the 2 statements were totally unrelated. So, yes, your opinion is dumb.

How to make friends and influence people, 4Glory? What are you, 15 years old?

I think people that defend a QB that purposely shat on his old teamates and fans after being worshipped for 16 years is as dumb as a box of rocks, but they're entitled to do so without me labelling them as such.

I prefer to focus on the pathic argumentation they bring forward rather than question their intelligence or obvious lack of it. But that's just me.

[Packers4Glory]

How to make friends and influence people, 4Glory? What are you, 15 years old?

I think people that defend a QB that purposely shat on his old teamates and fans after being worshipped for 16 years is as dumb as a box of rocks, but they're entitled to do so without me labelling them as such.

I prefer to focus on the pathic argumentation they bring forward rather than question their intelligence or obvious lack of it. But that's just me.

still waiting on some sort of evidence short of "booo hoo he left us and hurt our feelings". Leave the emotion out of it and look objectively. I was a pissed as anyone he decided to play for the VIkes, but I see no evidence based on the whole thing that says you can crown AR the better player. so I think anyone who can't set aside emotions and look at an argument objectively to be dumb. I expect that more out of the women in my life.

[Tarlam!]

Whatever, 4Glory.

[Brando19]

Brett? Is that you?

[MadtownPacker]

ya kinda knew this thread wasn't going to end well....

Well cant say we didnt give it a shot.

I was hoping this thread could exist because this is a legit topic. As several have mentioned something we should consider ourselves lucky to even be able to discuss which great QB was greater. With that said how about we try to save the thread and discuss the topic or if not we can just issue some weekend account suspensions if it starts getting too out of hand.

As for the topic. Not fair to compare careers because ARod's isnt over. At this point IMO both QBs have allowed us to witness great passing performances and a SB win. They havent done it in the same style but the one constant has been the obviously extreme desire to win and not be accepting of anything else. If Rodgers does win another SB then he would have the one up. Getting there but losing (like '98) would basically make it a tie.

[mraynrand]

At this point IMO both QBs have allowed us to witness great passing performances and a SB win. They havent done it in the same style but the one constant has been the obviously extreme desire to win and not be accepting of anything else. If Rodgers does win another SB then he would have the one up. Getting there but losing (like '98) would basically make it a tie.

I like this. I'm hoping Rodger's career is a lot better than Favre's. It means more SB victories for the Packers! And that's what packer fans care about.

And it's sure a hell of a lot more fun than debating who was better: Dave Roller or Bob Kuberski

[Fritz]

still waiting on some sort of evidence short of "booo hoo he left us and hurt our feelings". Leave the emotion out of it and look objectively. I was a pissed as anyone he decided to play for the VIkes, but I see no evidence based on the whole thing that says you can crown AR the better player. so I think anyone who can't set aside emotions and look at an argument objectively to be dumb. I expect that more out of the women in my life.

Okay, let's.

Let's look at years 4 - 7 of their careers. Those are the four years Rodgers became and was a starter, and those were probably the best years of Favre's career (94-97), so it should provide a fair comparison. Both guys had developed by the time year four rolled around for them, although Favre had more starting experience.

Okay, so for years 4 - 7 of their careers:

Favre had thrown 145 td's and 56 interceptions.

Rodgers has thrown 131 td's and 37 interceptions.

So, 14 fewer td's for Rodgers, but 19 fewer interceptions thrown.

Favre's completion rate for those years was about 61%.

Rodgers's completion rate for his last four years is over 65%.

Favre's best season in terms of total yards was 1995, when he threw for 4413 yards.

Rodgers threw for 4643 yards this year.

For that four year span, Favre threw for 16,061 yards.

In his four years as a starter, Rodgers has thrown for 17,037.

So there you go. Two very good quarterbacks. But by my reckoning, Favre's propensity for throwing interceptions - killing drives and giving the other team the ball - makes Rodgers a better quarterback.

[mraynrand]

Nice try Fritz, but you can't compare between eras

[MadtownPacker]

Great post Fritz. About time you do something besides cringe.

Really though the numbers are damn close and still leaves me thinking rings will be the deciding factor.

[Brando19]

Great post, Fritz. I'll take Rodgers for one reason and one reason only....turnovers. Gosh I was such a Favre fan when he was with Green Bay, but I swear I was always looking for his next interception. He was very exciting, but my stomach was in knots every game. With Rodgers, it's different. He's just as exciting to watch as Favre...minus the picks. When he throws an interception, I'm completely floored and I usually blame the receiver.

[smuggler]

P4G has a valid point, even though he's not doing too good of a job of getting it across. Those tallied numbers that Fritz provided are split by 17 years of leaguewide change. You really should be going a step beyond and comparing their statistical superiority within the era to one another, instead of just the raw numbers.

That's where advanced passing stats come into play. While these don't take into account the supporting cast, they do effectively compare sheer production across eras.

FAVRE, yrs 4-7:


RODGERS, yrs 4-7:


The three most important factors for a QB are, in order: Touchdowns, Interceptions, and Yards (AY/A)

TDs: Advantage, Favre. Rodgers has had the best individual season in that regard in 2011. However, Favre consistently produced a higher score.

INTs: Advantage, Rodgers. This is the most stark contrast among the three. Rodgers has never been below league average.

AY/A: Advantage, Rodgers, but it's close. This year really swung the vote.

Long story short, if the 2011 version of Rodgers hangs around for a few more years, it's not even a debate. How likely is that? I couldn't tell you.

[Pugger]

Nice try Fritz, but you can't compare between eras

But you can compare interceptions and Rodgers' ball security make him the better QB IMO.

[Tarlam!]

Nice job, smuggler. I was surprised to see Bert's win-loss column (only started rooting for the Pack in '02), especially in the first year. Rodgers' 1st year as a starter was way down, plus he missed 2 1/2 contests over the last 2 seasons.

Despite this, I would want my QB to be named Rodgers. Loved Bert when he dressed in Green and Gold, hate him for playing against the Green and Gold. Philosophers maintain there's a fine line between love and hate!

[KYPack]

Great job on that post, Smuggler.

I was gonna suggest you conduct a little clinic on how to make a post like that. Then I realized if you arm Freak, Zool, or me with that kind of tech expertise, we'd bring the forum to it's knees!

I'm back and forth on any comparisons. You'd need a time machine to do the job properly. Even players in the same era cause debate, how you really gonna compare guys that played at different times?

It's fun, but the debates rarely get settled.