Hawk taking heat in Green Bay

[mraynrand]

I've seen people say hawk is "as good in coverage as our other LBs" as though that's 1) true and 2) something to be proud of. And I see people saying they'd rather have picked Hawk over VD, even given the results of the past years. Hawk has never been more than just OK. Followig his injury in 2008, he's been an absolute liability in coverage. They hardly even let him cover even the slowest sluggish TEs and Fullbacks. Bollard was almost too much for him. Hawk = Bleah!

http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/q...rent=Bleah.mp4

[sharpe1027]

I would take Davis over Hawk. I'd still take Hawk over many other players.

[mraynrand]

you would expect some from MIT to be a WAY better scientist than a high school drop out. Still, in the end all you should really care about is which is better regardless of school.

Of course. But you take the guy from MIT because you expect him to be good. And he's gonna cost you a hell of a lot more, so he'd better be worth it.

The guys early in the draft are going to have measurables/attributes that you rarely can get in later rounds. Like a TE with 4.3 speed or a DE who is quick, tall and strong, and can play both pass and run.

You can get a Jennings lower down, but he's going to be missing something - like height. That's why the early guys are supposed to be game changers. Like VD. Not like Hawk.

[sharpe1027]

You can get a Jennings lower down, but he's going to be missing something - like height. That's why the early guys are supposed to be game changers. Like VD. Not like Hawk.

Expectations might be high, but what does it matter at this point? Sure, it gives you something to bitch and moan about, but last I checked a player that scores a touchdown still gets the same amount of points regardless of their draft position. Why all the hatred toward the Hawk because of his draft position? He wasn't the one making the decisions on the draft order.

[MJZiggy]

Exactly who cries when the team that you don't want to draft you doesn't? He was crying because his dream of becoming a NFL player came true but you guys can reach and make up stuff if you want to try to validate picking Hawk over him.

He cried when Green Bay picked, not when SF did. I watched that draft. As soon as Goodell headed to the podium, Davis was blubbering all over the place and SF HADN'T CALLED HIM YET. He had not been drafted yet. ALL he knew at that point was that he wasn't going to Green Bay. And I also don't remember Charles shedding a single tear about coming to GB. He may not have wanted to at first, but as best I can tell, tissues were entirely unnecessary in his case...

[Bretsky]

question to think about

if hawk was a 3rd round pick, you people still feel the same way about him?

no ones bitching about pat lee being a wasted pick . and he's next to worthless

Some of the disdain for Hawk is clearly because he had one decent year, got big money.....arguably way too much, followed that witha shitty season, and now we're stuck with him and his deal.

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Did you guys see old-ass Ray Lewis run down the seam and cover a WR on a post pattern last night? I know he's a HOFer, but they're always talking about how he's lost some steps and is basically done. The guy ran with a WR. I'd take just being able to run with a TE!

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Some of the disdain for Hawk is clearly because he had one decent year, got big money.....arguably way too much, followed that witha shitty season, and now we're stuck with him and his deal.

most of it, spot on.

[MadtownPacker]

Is he standing next to Bush?

Ha! Winner right there!

On the fence about Hawk. Really the token White boy LB role is covered by Clayster. If he can be traded for some kinds of DL help do it.

[MadtownPacker]

Did you guys see old-ass Ray Lewis run down the seam and cover a WR on a post pattern last night? I know he's a HOFer, but they're always talking about how he's lost some steps and is basically done. The guy ran with a WR. I'd take just being able to run with a TE!

No shit, that MFer's still a bad SOB. BS that bitch brady goes to the SB instead of RayRay.

[Brandon494]

question to think about

if hawk was a 3rd round pick, you people still feel the same way about him?

no ones bitching about pat lee being a wasted pick . and he's next to worthless

I would feel the same way even if he was a 3rd round pick because he sucks. People don't bitch about Pat Lee because except for special teams hes on the bench, his salary is only 500k, and he was not just resigned to a large contract.

[Brandon494]

He cried when Green Bay picked, not when SF did. I watched that draft. As soon as Goodell headed to the podium, Davis was blubbering all over the place and SF HADN'T CALLED HIM YET. He had not been drafted yet. ALL he knew at that point was that he wasn't going to Green Bay. And I also don't remember Charles shedding a single tear about coming to GB. He may not have wanted to at first, but as best I can tell, tissues were entirely unnecessary in his case...

Sorry but that's not how it happened. I remember him breaking down right after the 49ers called his name, he was not crying for joy because GB skipped over him.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah, davis is just like B494. He hates the Packers.

[th87]

I remember the defense playing better with Francois in the lineup. He got 2 interceptions in his limited time.

AJ Hawk came back against KC and we suddenly could not cover the intermediate routes.

Coincidence?

[mraynrand]

Expectations might be high, but what does it matter at this point? Sure, it gives you something to bitch and moan about, but last I checked a player that scores a touchdown still gets the same amount of points regardless of their draft position. Why all the hatred toward the Hawk because of his draft position? He wasn't the one making the decisions on the draft order.

Simply because you're supposed to get a great player there. We got a dud. I don't 'hate' Hawk. I just don't like that the Packers sucked enough to get a #5 and didn't get a special player out of it.